W3C

– DRAFT –
MathML-WG

07 October 2021

Attendees

Present
Bert, David_Farmer, davidc, Deyan, Louis2, murrays, NeilS, physikerwelt, polx, SteveNoble
Regrets
-
Chair
Neil Soiffer
Scribe
Louis2

Meeting minutes

NS: Announcements/updates

NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording

<murrays> present

<NeilS> gap analysis is at https://w3c.github.io/mathml-docs/gap-analysis/

<physikerwelt> present

DC: described how to make comments in the gap document.

NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wordingk

BK: The collective will be announced at TPAC.

<Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC/

<Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC/

NS: a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording

NS: issue what naming system are we using for intent.

<bkardell_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5yek69Js/

NS: summarized the differences in naming proposals.

SD: He is showing how the intent attribute captures semantics.

DG: thinks he and SD should settle this separately.

MOS: This level of detail may not be important for the Gap analysis.

BM: We do not wish to promote ambiguity.

DG: Two directions-- not to have an example or have two subsections showing the different approaches.
… He wants high quality examples.

SD: concerned with natural language making its way into the intent grammar.

DF: This is a tricky topic. aprime is the name of a single variable. There should besome way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'. This is a new topic for us.

DF: We need to show that aprimeis a variable and not "a" with some operation applied to it.

NS: the intent of aprime is that aprime is a symbol.

MUS: We should spend time defining defaults. We want documents
… not marked with intent to work.

CS: AT reads 'a' as ah and not "A".

NS: This is mentioned elseware in the document as a problem.

MUS: put a period following a and the AT may say 'A" or "A" period.

NS: This works sometimes and not in other cases.

NS: Did not see another math counts example that would show this case more clearly.

DC: Does not want to have two examples.

NS: This document is trying to show the alternative ways of making things accessible.
… This is not a fully flushed-out proposal.

BM: There are many transformations in calculus and physics. Primes show up all the time.
… It is difficult to know what prime is being used.

BM: Our system must be able to accommodate many things.

DG: will put sam as a reviewer of the PR.

NS: Wants the gap document released before our TPAC meeting.
… needs to be done by Tuesday of next week.

NS and Brian will work on the CSS document.

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es/NS: a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording//

<Louis2> s/aprtime /aprime/

<Louis2> s/Louis, Louis2, Maher, /Louis Maher/

<Louis2> s/NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wordingk//

<Louis2> s/<Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC///

es/aprime is/aprime is/

<Louis2> s/NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts//

<Louis2> s/haveto/have to/

<Louis2> s/DF: This is a tricky topic. aprime is the name of a single variable. There should besome way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'. This is a new topic/DF: This is a tricky topic. aprime is the name of a single variable. There should be some way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'. This is a new topic/

<Louis2> s/elsewere /elsewhere/

<Louis2> s/BM: Our system must be able to accommodatemany things./BM: Our system must be able to accommodate to many things./

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