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16:19:21 <Louis2> scribe: Louis2
16:20:17 <Louis2> meeting: MathML WG 10/7/2021
16:21:01 <Louis2> meeting: MathML-WG
16:21:33 <Louis2> Chair Neil Soiffer
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16:26:15 <Louis2> rrsagent, this meeting spans midnight
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16:53:13 <Louis2> present+
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16:56:28 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
16:56:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
16:57:45 <Louis2> NS: Announcements/updates
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17:01:16 <Bert> present+
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17:01:58 <Bert> s/Chair Neil Soiffer/Chair: Neil Soiffer
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17:02:56 <Louis2> present+ Louis Maher
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17:03:48 <Bert> zakim, who is here?
17:03:48 <Zakim> Present: Louis, Louis2, Bert, SteveNoble, davidc, NeilS, Deyan, Maher, David_Farmer
17:03:50 <Zakim> On IRC I see David_Farmer, Sam, Deyan, SteveNoble, NeilS, davidc, RRSAgent, Zakim, Louis2, tzviya, fantasai, join_subline, louis, iank_, Bert, jamesn, hsivonen
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17:04:59 <Louis2> NS: Gap Analysis Doc    a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording
17:05:15 <murrays> present
17:05:17 <NeilS> gap analysis is at https://w3c.github.io/mathml-docs/gap-analysis/
17:05:21 <physikerwelt> present
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17:06:00 <davidc> zakim, who is here?
17:06:00 <Zakim> Present: Louis, Louis2, Bert, SteveNoble, davidc, NeilS, Deyan, Maher, David_Farmer, polx, murrays
17:06:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see polx, physikerwelt, murrays, David_Farmer, Sam, Deyan, SteveNoble, NeilS, davidc, RRSAgent, Zakim, Louis2, tzviya, fantasai, join_subline, louis, iank_, Bert, jamesn,
17:06:03 <Zakim> ... hsivonen
17:06:34 <Louis2> DC: described how to make coments in the gap document.
17:07:05 <physikerwelt> present+
17:07:58 <Louis2> NS: Gap Analysis Doc    a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wordingk
17:09:14 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
17:09:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
17:23:15 <Louis2> BK: the collective will be announced at TPAD.
17:23:48 <polx> s/TPAD/TPAC/
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17:24:16 <Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC/
17:24:44 <Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC/
17:25:02 <Louis2> NS:   a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording
17:25:36 <Louis2> NS: issue what naming system are we using for intent.
17:26:04 <Louis2> NS: Are we using intent from MathML names?
17:26:46 <bkardell_> https://www.irccloud.com/pastebin/5yek69Js/
17:26:48 <Louis2> NS: sumarized the differences in naming proposals.
17:27:44 <Louis2> SD: He is showing how the intent attribute captures semantics.
17:28:26 <Louis2> DG: thinks he and SD should settle this separately.
17:34:31 <Louis2> MOS: This level may not be iportant for the Gap analysis.
17:35:36 <Louis2> BM: We do not wish to promote ambiguity.
17:36:18 <Louis2> DG: Two directions-- not to have an example or have two subsections showing the difference approaches.
17:36:43 <Louis2> ... He wants high quality examples.
17:37:22 <Louis2> SD: concerned with natural language making their way into the intent grammer.
17:37:57 <Bert> RRSAgent, make minutes
17:37:58 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Bert
17:38:44 <Louis2> DF: This is a tricky topic.  aprime is the name of a single variable.  There hsould be some way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'.  This is a new topic for us.
17:40:36 <Louis2> DF: We need to show that aprtime is a variable and not "a" with some operation applied to it.
17:43:39 <Louis2> NS: the intent of aprime is that aprime is a symbol.
17:45:07 <Louis2> MUS: We should spend time defining defaults.  We want documents
17:45:19 <Louis2> .. not marked with intent to work.
17:46:38 <Louis2> CS: AT reads 'a' as ah and not "A".
17:47:01 <Louis2> NS: This is mentioned elseware in the document as a problem.
17:47:42 <Louis2> MUS: put a period following a and the AT may say 'A" or "A" period.
17:47:57 <Louis2> NS: This works sometimes and not in other cases.
17:48:39 <Louis2> NS: Did not see another math counts example that would show this.
17:48:56 <Louis2> DC: Does not want ot have two examples.
17:50:42 <Louis2> NS: This document is trying to show the alternative ways of making things accessible.
17:51:01 <Louis2> ... This is not a fully flushed-out proposal.
17:52:00 <Louis2> BM: There are many transformations in calculus and physics.  Primes show up all the time.
17:52:23 <Louis2> ... It is difficult to know what prime is being used.
17:53:28 <Louis2> BM: Our system must be able to accomodate many things.
17:56:49 <Louis2> DG: will put sam as a reviewer of the PR.
17:57:25 <Louis2> NS: Wants the gap document released before our TPAC meeting.
17:58:18 <Louis2> ... needs to be done by Tuesday of next week.
17:58:53 <Louis2> NS and Brian will work on the CSS document.
18:00:35 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:00:35 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:03:39 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:03:39 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:08:37 <Louis2> s/Louis2/Louis Maher/
18:08:49 <Louis2> rrsagent, Make Minutes
18:08:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:11:28 <Louis2> s/coments/comments/
18:13:26 <Louis2> s
18:13:48 <Louis2> es/NS: a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wording//
18:15:00 <Louis2> s/sumarized/summarized/
18:15:54 <Louis2> s/iportant //
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18:18:07 <Louis2> s/difference approaches/different approaches/
18:19:14 <Louis2> s/hsould /should/
18:19:49 <Louis2> s/aprtime /aprime/
18:20:06 <Louis2> s/aprtime /aprime/
18:23:11 <Louis2> s/NS: Did not see another math counts example that would show this./NS: Did not see another math counts example that would show this case more clearly./
18:23:57 <Louis2> s/want ot /want to/
18:25:04 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:25:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:26:37 <Louis2> s/Louis, Louis2, Maher, /Louis Maher/
18:28:22 <Louis2> s/NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts or borrow from (English) wordingk//
18:29:51 <Louis2> s/<Louis2> s/TPAD/TPAC///
18:31:04 <Louis2> s/NS: Are we using intent from MathML names?//
18:32:23 <Louis2> s/making their /making its/
18:33:21 <Louis2> s/shouldbe /should be/
18:34:01 <Louis2> es/aprimeis /aprime is/
18:35:06 <Louis2> s/tohave /to have/
18:37:10 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:37:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:42:14 <Louis2> s/NS: Gap Analysis Doc a) discuss philosophical differences on names of intent -- borrow from content MathML so they are related to mathematical concepts//
18:43:31 <Louis2> s/the collective /The collective/
18:45:20 <Louis2> s/MOS: This level may not be for the Gap analysis./MOS: This level of detail may not be important for the Gap analysis./
18:46:21 <Louis2> s/aprimeis /aprime is/
18:47:33 <Louis2> s/haveto/have to/
18:48:01 <Louis2> s/havetwo /have two/
18:48:49 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:48:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:52:21 <Louis2> s/collectivewill /collective will/
18:54:21 <Louis2> s/DC: Does not want to have twoexamples./DC: Does not want to have two examples./
18:55:37 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:55:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
18:57:40 <Louis2> s/BK: The collective willbe announced at TPAC./BK: The collective will be announced at TPAC./
18:59:22 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
18:59:22 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
19:00:14 <Louis2> present- Louis
19:01:10 <Louis2> present- Maher
19:03:00 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
19:11:09 <Louis2> s/SD: concerned with natural language making itsway into the intent grammer./SD: concerned with natural language making its way into the intent grammar./
19:13:58 <Louis2> s/DF: This is a tricky topic. aprime is the name of a single variable. There should besome way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'. This is a new topic/DF: This is a tricky topic. aprime is the name of a single variable. There should be some way to say aprime is a variable like 'a'. This is a new topic/
19:17:08 <Louis2> s/elsewere /elsewhere/
19:19:13 <Louis2> s/accomodate /accommodate/
19:20:00 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
19:20:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
19:23:19 <Louis2> s/BM: Our system must be able to accommodatemany things./BM: Our system must be able to accommodate many things./
19:24:25 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
19:24:25 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
19:27:04 <Louis2> s/BM: Our system must be able to accommodatemany things./BM: Our system must be able to accommodate to many things./
19:27:11 <Louis2> rrsagent, make minutes
19:27:11 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/07-math-minutes.html Louis2
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