IRC log of silver-protocols on 2021-10-01
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/10/01-silver-protocols-irc
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- zakim, start this meeting
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- RRSAgent, make logs Public
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- please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JF
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- meeting: Silver Protocols Sub-Group
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- Present+
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- present+
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- Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/index.php?title=Protocols&action=submit
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- present+
- 13:14:55 [JF]
- We should define what we believe our goals will be
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- Define problems, identify constraints, determine objective
- 13:23:42 [jenniferS]
- What about this? https://www.va.gov/web/standards/accessibility.cfm
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- discussion around VPATs and Protocols - language of VPATs "wiggle room"
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- VPATs moved the ball forward, but also left gaps for entities to be realistic
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- Gregg: there is a benefit to not making things too rigid
- 13:29:34 [jenniferS]
- https://www.itic.org/policy/accessibility/vpat for reference
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- q+
- 13:32:31 [JF]
- Jenn: maybe go back to the spirit of what a VPAT *should* be doing
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- 13:33:46 [jenniferS]
- yes!
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- Think about our users. :)
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- Jake: outside of the US, don't know of any country that uses VPATs
- 13:34:36 [jenniferS]
- "VPAT 2.4 EU: EN 301 549 – the European Union’s “Accessibility requirements suitable for public procurement of ICT products and services in Europe”"
- 13:34:37 [JF]
- but we can aim for... something
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- Jake: maybe take a step back... a document, like an Accessibility Statement. Concern that in the EU, different countries would use different reporting documents
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- Jake: distinction - VPATs are 'conformance', but we could also have a report that speaks to goals and achievements
- 13:37:18 [jenniferS]
- Agreed. Stating what you are aligning with. Love the idea of accessibility statement. Anything where a service conveys their intention.
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- Jake: drawing comparisons to maturity models
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- q?
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- ack j
- 13:43:48 [JakeAbma]
- https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2016/2102/oj
- 13:43:50 [jenniferS]
- By end of next week's meeting, arrive at a working definition of what is meant by a Protocol.
- 13:45:17 [JF]
- Jake: I like the idea of Protocols, but what protocols? We do not have any kind of list or examples
- 13:53:12 [JF]
- Jake: I believe that we should present a fixed set of protocols with use-cases + examples
- 13:56:16 [jenniferS]
- Could WCAG have a "certified list" of protocols, and a process for submitting for review?
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- Open question Jennifer
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- Jake: including design principles
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- jenniferS: even disability is hard to define
- 14:05:49 [JF]
- this is why I use the word "consideration" - it reduces stigma
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- hope that protocols can address the measurable/testable/repeatable
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- but we also need a way to pose meaningful questions to evaluate when not M/T/R
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- questions that give a way of determining impact
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- jenniferS: empathize with users - protocols help others to imagine that
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- zakim, end this meeting
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- As of this point the attendees have been JF, JakeAbma, jenniferS
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- RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/01-silver-protocols-minutes.html Zakim
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- I am happy to have been of service, JF; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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