IRC log of silver-protocols on 2021-10-01

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13:00:30 [JF]
zakim, start this meeting
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RRSAgent, make logs Public
13:00:31 [Zakim]
please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), JF
13:00:48 [JF]
meeting: Silver Protocols Sub-Group
13:03:39 [JakeAbma]
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Present+
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present+
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Wiki: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/index.php?title=Protocols&action=submit
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present+
13:14:55 [JF]
We should define what we believe our goals will be
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Define problems, identify constraints, determine objective
13:23:42 [jenniferS]
What about this? https://www.va.gov/web/standards/accessibility.cfm
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discussion around VPATs and Protocols - language of VPATs "wiggle room"
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VPATs moved the ball forward, but also left gaps for entities to be realistic
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Gregg: there is a benefit to not making things too rigid
13:29:34 [jenniferS]
https://www.itic.org/policy/accessibility/vpat for reference
13:31:03 [jenniferS]
q+
13:32:31 [JF]
Jenn: maybe go back to the spirit of what a VPAT *should* be doing
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s/Jenn/jenniferS
13:33:46 [jenniferS]
yes!
13:33:53 [jenniferS]
Think about our users. :)
13:34:28 [JF]
Jake: outside of the US, don't know of any country that uses VPATs
13:34:36 [jenniferS]
"VPAT 2.4 EU: EN 301 549 – the European Union’s “Accessibility requirements suitable for public procurement of ICT products and services in Europe”"
13:34:37 [JF]
but we can aim for... something
13:35:58 [JF]
Jake: maybe take a step back... a document, like an Accessibility Statement. Concern that in the EU, different countries would use different reporting documents
13:36:51 [JF]
Jake: distinction - VPATs are 'conformance', but we could also have a report that speaks to goals and achievements
13:37:18 [jenniferS]
Agreed. Stating what you are aligning with. Love the idea of accessibility statement. Anything where a service conveys their intention.
13:38:02 [JF]
Jake: drawing comparisons to maturity models
13:39:29 [GreggVan]
q?
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ack j
13:43:48 [JakeAbma]
https://eur-lex.europa.eu/eli/dir/2016/2102/oj
13:43:50 [jenniferS]
By end of next week's meeting, arrive at a working definition of what is meant by a Protocol.
13:45:17 [JF]
Jake: I like the idea of Protocols, but what protocols? We do not have any kind of list or examples
13:53:12 [JF]
Jake: I believe that we should present a fixed set of protocols with use-cases + examples
13:56:16 [jenniferS]
Could WCAG have a "certified list" of protocols, and a process for submitting for review?
14:00:20 [JF]
Open question Jennifer
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Jake: including design principles
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jenniferS: even disability is hard to define
14:05:49 [JF]
this is why I use the word "consideration" - it reduces stigma
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hope that protocols can address the measurable/testable/repeatable
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but we also need a way to pose meaningful questions to evaluate when not M/T/R
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questions that give a way of determining impact
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jenniferS: empathize with users - protocols help others to imagine that
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zakim, end this meeting
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As of this point the attendees have been JF, JakeAbma, jenniferS
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RRSAgent, please draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/10/01-silver-protocols-minutes.html Zakim
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I am happy to have been of service, JF; please remember to excuse RRSAgent. Goodbye
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