IRC log of dxwg on 2021-09-21

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chair: PWinstanley
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regrets+ Caroline Burle; DaveBrowning; RiccardoAlbertoni (likely), antoine
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present+
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present+
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meeting: DXWG plenary
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.21
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:11:31 [plh]
to find it: go to https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/calendar and make sure you're logged in
20:14:43 [AndreaPerego]
regrets- RiccardoAlbertoni (likely)
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regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni
20:14:53 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:16:38 [AndreaPerego]
regrets- Caroline Burle; DaveBrowning; RiccardoAlbertoni (likely)
20:16:40 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:17:16 [AndreaPerego]
regrets+ CarolineBurle
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regrets+ DaveBrowning
20:17:30 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:18:01 [PWinstanley]
proposed: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-dxwg-minutes
20:18:06 [AndreaPerego]
scribenick: kcoyle
20:18:32 [AndreaPerego]
topic: accept last meeting minutes
20:18:36 [AndreaPerego]
+1
20:18:40 [PWinstanley]
+1
20:18:41 [kcoyle]
+1
20:18:52 [plh]
+1
20:18:53 [PWinstanley]
resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-dxwg-minutes
20:19:04 [annette_g]
+1
20:19:29 [kcoyle]
topic: updates
20:19:48 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: charter and updates; need consolidation and actions for tpac
20:20:06 [kcoyle]
plh: did we set up a time for tpac?
20:20:10 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: no
20:20:48 [kcoyle]
... we are running late. Any suggestions?
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... update on dcat?
20:21:14 [AndreaPerego]
topic: DCAT
20:21:34 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: main discussion was issues that were raised as part of feedback; some inconsistencies
20:21:55 [kcoyle]
... in the RDF we were using some OWL that was not included in the specification
20:21:56 [AndreaPerego]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1402
20:22:20 [kcoyle]
... riccardo created an issue for this (above); we need to decide whether to address these
20:22:38 [kcoyle]
... we cannot modify dcat2, but we should align the RDF with the specification
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... then we need to decide whether to keep them and whether to update the specification
20:23:13 [kcoyle]
... the ?? is removed from RDF DCAT2
20:23:14 [AndreaPerego]
https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1401
20:24:04 [kcoyle]
... we remove these from the RDF in the DCAT repo, but need an official version in W3C space
20:24:22 [PWinstanley]
s/the ?? is removed from RDF DCAT2/the axioms were removed from RDF of DCAT2/
20:24:27 [kcoyle]
... changes were made in definition of RDF in DCAT2
20:24:41 [kcoyle]
plh: I have to make the update manually
20:24:54 [kcoyle]
... open an issue and assign it to me, and remind me
20:25:10 [kcoyle]
... this works if we don't have to do this often
20:25:59 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: This issue was discussed for the whole meeting; another topic was that we have the impression
20:26:15 [kcoyle]
... that users do not always understand that the normative specification is the html one
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AndreaPerego: we need to say that if there is inconsistency the HTML is the normative one; need to figure out
20:28:05 [kcoyle]
... how to make this more obvious in the documentation
20:28:29 [annette_g]
q+
20:28:48 [kcoyle]
... the only indication in Respec is a list of non-normative documents
20:29:10 [PWinstanley]
ack annette_g
20:29:36 [kcoyle]
annette_g: suggest that if there are discrepencies we should focus on fixing those
20:30:09 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: not sure there is a real problem, it may be a matter of interpretation
20:33:03 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: Andrea, please write into the minutes any other messages
20:35:31 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: to conclude: feedback from accessibility group needed
20:35:37 [kcoyle]
plh: I'll look for that
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topic: rechartering
20:36:10 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: need to have a first draft ready in 3.5 weeks.
20:36:31 [annette_g]
+1 to rechartering, anyway
20:36:59 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:37:00 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: content neg by profile still useful, taking a lot of time
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q+
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... good for an ecosystem
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ack kcoyle
20:37:42 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: would the PROF still be part of this group?
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... also we need to decide what to do with profile guidance
20:38:14 [annette_g]
q+
20:38:15 [PWinstanley]
... what do we want to charter? (I don't have an answer)
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ack annette_g
20:38:39 [kcoyle]
annette_g: I would suggest that we could still do a useful profile guidance document
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q+
20:39:11 [kcoyle]
annette_g: neither the prof vocab needs to be active for us to create a guidance document
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ack PWinstanley
20:39:47 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: asking plh: should guidance and primers come within the scope of a charter
20:40:20 [kcoyle]
... we need to increase uptake by creating more user-centered documents
20:40:44 [kcoyle]
... given that the charter is short, good to do some consolidation and primer work
20:41:03 [kcoyle]
plh: yes, primers are included in charter, and wouldn't need a new charter
20:41:12 [kcoyle]
q+
20:41:17 [PWinstanley]
ack kcoyle
20:41:52 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: given the non-quorum there has been on the last meetings, we can't assume on people being available for the effort required
20:42:24 [PWinstanley]
... the DCAT subgroup might have the cycles, but for other areas we might not have the resources
20:43:11 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: do people think that we need a new charter? do we have enthusiasm and resources to do things?
20:43:15 [annette_g]
q+
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ack annette_g
20:43:41 [kcoyle]
annette_g: maybe only need an extension of current charter
20:43:51 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: do people feel there is life still in the group?
20:44:26 [kcoyle]
annette_g: haven't been part of DCAT subgroup - can't know what energy they have
20:45:05 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: no real answer; probably need some new blood; dcat subgroup is only about 4 people
20:45:36 [kcoyle]
... invited others but ... no new members
20:46:23 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: I have the impression that summer holiday was a relief from the work
20:46:36 [kcoyle]
... maybe we need a break once DCAT3 is released
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... any impediments?
20:47:26 [kcoyle]
plh: yes, we can have a charter and take a break; there are maintenance groups that never meet
20:47:40 [kcoyle]
... don't close the group
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PWinstanley: is there a halfway? not maintenance mode, but a break, then do sprints
20:48:18 [kcoyle]
... group has been together for 4 years
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q+
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plh: set expectations
20:48:52 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: there are things to be done
20:48:54 [PWinstanley]
ack kcoyle
20:49:32 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: to ask - are there significant changes queued up on DCAT that need immediate work after the release of v3?
20:49:58 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: we have a few changes queued up; e.g. how to deal with inverse properties
20:50:16 [kcoyle]
... other things come in; depends on the deadline we want to set
20:50:26 [kcoyle]
... right now we want to publish a draft by end of the year
20:50:35 [kcoyle]
... there are lots of issues that need to be resolved
20:51:31 [kcoyle]
... and we get new feedback still; e.g. how to specify something with a shifting schedule
20:52:14 [kcoyle]
... some use cases mean we have to think about the scope of dcat
20:52:34 [kcoyle]
topic: tpac
20:52:50 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: what do we need to do?
20:53:10 [kcoyle]
plh: need to decide exact time to meeting during week of tpac
20:54:15 [kcoyle]
... move oct plenary to Oct 26 - and advertise to tpac audience and focus on general interest questions
20:54:42 [kcoyle]
proposed: meet at tpac Oct 26, same time as this
20:54:59 [PWinstanley]
+1
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+1
20:55:21 [AndreaPerego]
+1
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resolved: meet at tpac Oct 26, same time as this
20:55:45 [annette_g]
+1, I have a new conflict with this week, but I can join for a meeting if it's not all day.
20:55:53 [AndreaPerego]
present+ plh
20:56:03 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: do videos? audio?
20:56:14 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:56:27 [kcoyle]
plh: not much time, just 6 days to provide
20:56:56 [annette_g]
present+
20:57:28 [PWinstanley]
kcoyle: we need to ensure that for the TPAC meeting the DCAT subgroup are well represented
20:58:16 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: any video or audio needs to be mainly about dcat
20:58:51 [kcoyle]
... suggesting that we do that
20:59:05 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: I could help prepare slides
20:59:14 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: needs to be high level and strategic
20:59:21 [annette_g]
+1 to high level and strateginc
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s/strateginc/strategic/
20:59:38 [kcoyle]
AndreaPerego: need to presume that people don't know about it
21:00:04 [kcoyle]
PWinstanley: link to F in FAIR; need generic solution to findability
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PWinstanley: we've had recent correspondence from folks in homeland security wanting to join the dcat group, so not just .gov
21:01:28 [kcoyle]
rrsagent, please create minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:01:40 [annette_g]
s/not just .gov/not just data.gov/
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plh: you have to register for dpac to get the login instructions
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s/dpac/tpac/
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PWinstanley: what's the format for the video?
21:03:09 [plh]
https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2021/Demos_and_Group_updates#Best_Practices_for_Recording_Videos
21:03:15 [kcoyle]
rrsagent, please create minutes v2
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