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19:49:43 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
19:50:31 <PWinstanley> regrets+ Caroline Burle; DaveBrowning; RiccardoAlbertoni (likely), antoine
19:50:50 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
19:50:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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20:09:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:10:26 <PWinstanley> present+
20:10:28 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DXWG plenary
20:10:39 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.09.21
20:10:41 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:10:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:11:31 <plh> to find it: go to https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/dx/calendar and make sure you're logged in
20:14:43 <AndreaPerego> regrets- RiccardoAlbertoni (likely)
20:14:51 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni
20:14:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:14:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:16:38 <AndreaPerego> regrets- Caroline Burle; DaveBrowning; RiccardoAlbertoni (likely)
20:16:40 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:16:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:17:16 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ CarolineBurle
20:17:27 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ DaveBrowning
20:17:30 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:17:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:18:01 <PWinstanley> proposed:  accept https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-dxwg-minutes
20:18:06 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: kcoyle
20:18:32 <AndreaPerego> topic: accept last meeting minutes
20:18:36 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:18:40 <PWinstanley> +1
20:18:41 <kcoyle> +1
20:18:52 <plh> +1
20:18:53 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept https://www.w3.org/2021/09/07-dxwg-minutes
20:19:04 <annette_g> +1
20:19:29 <kcoyle> topic: updates
20:19:48 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: charter and updates; need consolidation and actions for tpac
20:20:06 <kcoyle> plh: did we set up a time for tpac?
20:20:10 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: no
20:20:48 <kcoyle> ... we are running late. Any suggestions?
20:21:00 <kcoyle> ... update on dcat?
20:21:14 <AndreaPerego> topic: DCAT
20:21:34 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: main discussion was issues that were raised as part of feedback; some inconsistencies
20:21:55 <kcoyle> ... in the RDF we were using some OWL that was not included in the specification
20:21:56 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1402
20:22:20 <kcoyle> ... riccardo created an issue for this (above); we need to decide whether to address these
20:22:38 <kcoyle> ... we cannot modify dcat2, but we should align the RDF with the specification
20:22:56 <kcoyle> ... then we need to decide whether to keep them and whether to update the specification
20:23:13 <kcoyle> ... the ?? is removed from RDF DCAT2
20:23:14 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1401
20:24:04 <kcoyle> ... we remove these from the RDF in the DCAT repo, but need an official version in W3C space
20:24:22 <PWinstanley> s/the ?? is removed from RDF DCAT2/the axioms were removed from RDF of DCAT2/
20:24:27 <kcoyle> ... changes were made in definition of RDF in DCAT2
20:24:41 <kcoyle> plh: I have to make the update manually
20:24:54 <kcoyle> ... open an issue and assign it to me, and remind me
20:25:10 <kcoyle> ... this works if we don't have to do this often
20:25:59 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: This issue was discussed for the whole meeting; another topic was that we have the impression
20:26:15 <kcoyle> ... that users do not always understand that the normative specification is the html one
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20:27:54 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: we need to say that if there is inconsistency the HTML is the normative one; need to figure out
20:28:05 <kcoyle> ... how to make this more obvious in the documentation
20:28:29 <annette_g> q+
20:28:48 <kcoyle> ... the only indication in Respec is a list of non-normative documents
20:29:10 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:29:36 <kcoyle> annette_g: suggest that if there are discrepencies we should focus on fixing those
20:30:09 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: not sure there is a real problem, it may be a matter of interpretation
20:33:03 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: Andrea, please write into the minutes any other messages
20:35:31 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: to conclude: feedback from accessibility group needed
20:35:37 <kcoyle> plh: I'll look for that
20:35:56 <kcoyle> topic: rechartering
20:36:10 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: need to have a first draft ready in 3.5 weeks.
20:36:31 <annette_g> +1 to rechartering, anyway
20:36:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:37:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: content neg by profile still useful, taking a lot of time
20:37:09 <kcoyle> q+
20:37:17 <kcoyle> ... good for an ecosystem
20:37:22 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:37:42 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: would the PROF still be part of this group?
20:37:55 <PWinstanley> ... also we need to decide what to do with profile guidance
20:38:14 <annette_g> q+
20:38:15 <PWinstanley> ... what do we want to charter? (I don't have an answer)
20:38:19 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:38:39 <kcoyle> annette_g: I would suggest that we could still do a useful profile guidance document
20:38:42 <PWinstanley> q+
20:39:11 <kcoyle> annette_g: neither the prof vocab needs to be active for us to create a guidance document
20:39:21 <PWinstanley> ack PWinstanley
20:39:47 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: asking plh: should guidance and primers come within the scope of a charter
20:40:20 <kcoyle> ... we need to increase uptake by creating more user-centered documents
20:40:44 <kcoyle> ... given that the charter is short, good to do some consolidation and primer work
20:41:03 <kcoyle> plh: yes, primers are included in charter, and wouldn't need a new charter
20:41:12 <kcoyle> q+
20:41:17 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:41:52 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: given the non-quorum there has been on the last meetings, we can't assume on people being available for the effort required
20:42:24 <PWinstanley> ... the DCAT subgroup might have the cycles, but for other areas we might not have the resources
20:43:11 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do people think that we need a new charter? do we have enthusiasm and resources to do things?
20:43:15 <annette_g> q+
20:43:20 <PWinstanley> ack annette_g
20:43:41 <kcoyle> annette_g: maybe only need an extension of current charter
20:43:51 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do people feel there is life still in the group?
20:44:26 <kcoyle> annette_g: haven't been part of DCAT subgroup - can't know what energy they have
20:45:05 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: no real answer; probably need some new blood; dcat subgroup is only about 4 people
20:45:36 <kcoyle> ... invited others but ... no new members
20:46:23 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: I have the impression that summer holiday was a relief from the work
20:46:36 <kcoyle> ... maybe we need a break once DCAT3 is released
20:46:43 <kcoyle> ... any impediments?
20:47:26 <kcoyle> plh: yes, we can have a charter and take a break; there are maintenance groups that never meet
20:47:40 <kcoyle> ... don't close the group
20:48:08 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: is there a halfway? not maintenance mode, but a break, then do sprints
20:48:18 <kcoyle> ... group has been together for 4 years
20:48:23 <kcoyle> q+
20:48:46 <kcoyle> plh: set expectations
20:48:52 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: there are things to be done
20:48:54 <PWinstanley> ack kcoyle
20:49:32 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: to ask - are there significant changes queued up on DCAT that need immediate work after the release of v3?
20:49:58 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: we have a few changes queued up; e.g. how to deal with inverse properties
20:50:16 <kcoyle> ... other things come in; depends on the deadline we want to set
20:50:26 <kcoyle> ... right now we want to publish a draft by end of the year
20:50:35 <kcoyle> ... there are lots of issues that need to be resolved
20:51:31 <kcoyle> ... and we get new feedback still; e.g. how to specify something with a shifting schedule
20:52:14 <kcoyle> ... some use cases mean we have to think about the scope of dcat
20:52:34 <kcoyle> topic: tpac
20:52:50 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: what do we need to do?
20:53:10 <kcoyle> plh: need to decide exact time to meeting during week of tpac
20:54:15 <kcoyle> ... move oct plenary to Oct 26 - and advertise to tpac audience and focus on general interest questions
20:54:42 <kcoyle> proposed: meet at tpac Oct 26, same time as this
20:54:59 <PWinstanley> +1
20:55:02 <kcoyle> +1
20:55:21 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:55:34 <kcoyle> resolved: meet at tpac Oct 26, same time as this
20:55:45 <annette_g> +1, I have a new conflict with this week, but I can join for a meeting if it's not all day.
20:55:53 <AndreaPerego> present+ plh
20:56:03 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: do videos? audio?
20:56:14 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:56:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:56:27 <kcoyle> plh: not much time, just 6 days to provide
20:56:56 <annette_g> present+
20:57:28 <PWinstanley> kcoyle: we need to ensure that for the TPAC meeting the DCAT subgroup are well represented
20:58:16 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: any video or audio needs to be mainly about dcat
20:58:51 <kcoyle> ... suggesting that we do that
20:59:05 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: I could help prepare slides
20:59:14 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: needs to be high level and strategic
20:59:21 <annette_g> +1 to high level and strateginc
20:59:31 <annette_g> s/strateginc/strategic/
20:59:38 <kcoyle> AndreaPerego: need to presume that people don't know about it
21:00:04 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: link to F in FAIR; need generic solution to findability
21:01:00 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: we've had recent correspondence from folks in homeland security wanting to join the dcat group, so not just .gov
21:01:28 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
21:01:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
21:01:40 <annette_g> s/not just .gov/not just data.gov/
21:01:52 <kcoyle> plh: you have to register for dpac to get the login instructions
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21:02:07 <annette_g> s/dpac/tpac/
21:02:44 <kcoyle> PWinstanley: what's the format for the video?
21:03:09 <plh> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC2021/Demos_and_Group_updates#Best_Practices_for_Recording_Videos
21:03:15 <kcoyle> rrsagent, please create minutes v2
21:03:15 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/21-dxwg-minutes.html kcoyle
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