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15:00:10 <Zakim> Meeting: Timed Text Working Group Teleconference
15:00:36 <nigel> Previous meeting: https://www.w3.org/2021/09/02-tt-minutes.html
15:00:42 <nigel> Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/ttwg/issues/197
15:00:44 <nigel> scribe: nigel
15:01:23 <nigel> Present: Andreas, Atsushi, Mike, Nigel, Pierre
15:01:29 <nigel> Regrets: Gary, Glenn
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15:01:58 <nigel> Topic: This Meeting
15:02:19 <nigel> Nigel: Only a few things on the agenda:
15:02:27 <nigel> .. IMSC HRM, Charter, AOB
15:02:43 <nigel> .. Atsushi just mentioned for AOB the GitHub groups and permissions, so we'll cover that.
15:03:12 <nigel> Pierre: I want to get the HRM pull request merged faster than the 2 week turnaround.
15:03:30 <nigel> Present+ Cyril
15:04:02 <nigel> Nigel: Plus AOB from me about BBC Subtitle Guidelines
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15:04:11 <nigel> Topic: IMSC HRM
15:04:43 <nigel> Subtopic: Pull Request for Initial Draft
15:04:46 <nigel> github: https://github.com/w3c/imsc-hrm/pull/1
15:05:15 <nigel> Nigel: Action on my to update github-bot!
15:06:33 <nigel> Nigel: Apologies I haven't had chance to look at this. It's a copy-paste from the existing HRM, right?
15:07:13 <nigel> Pierre: Right, that's the goal. I have permissions issues by the way.
15:08:25 <nigel> Nigel: I hope to get to this in the next couple of hours.
15:08:55 <nigel> Atsushi: We are relying on W3C account management so if the W3C account is not linked to the GitHub account then permissions will not be assigned.
15:09:38 <nigel> Nigel: Any editorial questions arising from this, Pierre? I see there are a couple of empty sections at the end.
15:09:49 <nigel> Pierre: It looks alright - substantively it's identical really.
15:10:18 <nigel> Nigel: We will have to put something in for Privacy and Security Considerations at some point.
15:10:29 <nigel> Pierre: That's fine, we can put something in, I just wanted a baseline to start with.
15:10:59 <nigel> Nigel: Any questions or comments about the HRM at all?
15:11:14 <nigel> Cyril: I saw in the description that the goal is to capture the HRM from IMSC 1.2.
15:11:22 <nigel> .. You copied it from 1.2 and edited the header, right?
15:11:28 <nigel> Pierre: That's exactly what I did.
15:11:42 <nigel> Cyril: How do you intend to approach compat with 1.0.1 and 1.1?
15:11:54 <nigel> Pierre: The next PR will be to make it apply to all versions of IMSC.
15:12:04 <nigel> .. It will be simple because there are only additions.
15:12:16 <nigel> .. The goal is to have a document that covers IMSC 1, 1.1 and 1.2, at least for now.
15:12:27 <nigel> .. The immediate goal is to get at least a draft out to create those deltas.
15:12:29 <nigel> Cyril: Makes sense
15:12:50 <nigel> Mike: The state of this is consistent with that - given the approach I will be comfortable to approve.
15:13:38 <nigel> Topic: Charter
15:14:40 <nigel> Nigel: This is for Chairs at the moment, and we don't have Gary today.
15:14:52 <nigel> .. Main question in my mind is what Rec track deliverables to list in the new Charter.
15:15:04 <nigel> .. Current tentative list is our specs in CR, TTML2 and WebVTT,
15:15:09 <nigel> .. and IMSC HRM and ADPT.
15:15:16 <nigel> .. Any comments on that list? Additions, subtractions?
15:15:30 <nigel> group has no comments
15:15:34 <nigel> Nigel: It's the perfect list!
15:15:55 <nigel> Topic: AOB - GitHub Group and permissions
15:16:22 <nigel> Atsushi: We have a historical ttwg GitHub team to assign write permissions over TTWG repos.
15:16:42 <nigel> .. But W3C has switched to an automatic management tool using w3c-group-[id] that is configured by the participant
15:17:03 <nigel> .. list in the W3C database, and the connection between the accounts is managed by each user in their W3C profile.
15:17:10 <atsushi> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/timed-text/participants
15:17:28 <nigel> .. If you don't have GitHub user id in this participant list, then you won't have any permissions on TTWG repositories.
15:17:36 <nigel> Pierre: How long does it take for the permissions to propagate?
15:17:44 <nigel> Atsushi: It will be processed daily or weekly.
15:17:54 <nigel> Pierre: I linked my account but still don't have permissions, so I'll wait.
15:18:05 <nigel> Atsushi: Maybe wait a week or something.
15:18:08 <nigel> Nigel: Can you kick it?
15:18:23 <nigel> Atsushi: It's managed by sys team, I can ask...
15:18:31 <atsushi> Systeam <w3t-sys@w3.org>
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15:18:33 <nigel> Pierre: I can contact them directly.
15:18:54 <nigel> Atsushi: Note that this is "geek week" so you may not get an instant reply.
15:18:56 <nigel> Pierre: Thank you
15:19:07 <nigel> Atsushi: sorry for the difficulties - this is much easier for us.
15:19:20 <nigel> Nigel: Are you proposing deleting a group?
15:19:24 <nigel> Atushi: tt-wg
15:19:39 <nigel> Nigel: Have you cross-checked to see if that will impact anybody?
15:19:54 <nigel> Atsushi: I think I included a list in an email.
15:20:09 <nigel> Nigel: Okay, I will take a look - I think I saw that email in passing but did not manage to follow up on it yet.
15:20:36 <nigel> Nigel: Fair warning to all. Anyone feel that's a challenge to them?
15:20:53 <nigel> nobody present mentions any difficulty
15:21:10 <nigel> Nigel: Alright, shall we set a timeline for removing the group?
15:21:39 <nigel> Atsushi: No timeline was defined, but I have a strong push on this, so I need to do it before TPAC.
15:22:02 <nigel> Nigel: Propose 30 September? So 2 weeks from now it will get deleted.
15:22:10 <nigel> Atsushi: Yeah 2 weeks or 1 month is fine.
15:22:24 <nigel> Nigel: Let's get it done - call it 30 September.
15:22:28 <nigel> Atsushi: Thank you.
15:22:49 <nigel> Topic: AOB - BBC Subtitle Guidelines
15:23:06 <nigel> Nigel: Just to let you know that we just published a new release version of the BBC subtitle guidelines
15:23:10 <nigel> -> https://bbc.github.io/subtitle-guidelines/ BBC Subtitle Guidelines
15:24:06 <nigel> Nigel: You may be interested in the strengthened requirement to meet IMSC 1.0.1 in distribution subtitle documents,
15:24:29 <nigel> .. and the details added about how to position Teletext characters in % coordinates.
15:25:12 <nigel> .. There's also some detail about authoring and presentation font sizes, and how to adjust the presentation font sizes or customise them.
15:25:49 <nigel> Topic: Meeting close
15:26:06 <nigel> Nigel: Thank you everyone, we're done early today! [adjourns meeting]
15:26:12 <nigel> rrsagent, make minutes
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15:49:07 <nigel> Chair: Nigel
15:49:50 <nigel> i/Cyril: How do you intend/Subtopic: Compatibility with IMSC 1.0.1 and 1.1
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15:51:24 <nigel> zakim, end meeting
15:51:24 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Andreas, Atsushi, Mike, Nigel, Pierre, Cyril
15:51:26 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
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15:51:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, nigel; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:51:43 <RRSAgent> I see no action items