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15:40:40 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:40:40 <trackbot> Date: 15 September 2021
15:40:42 <janina> agenda?
15:40:46 <janina> Chair: Becky
15:40:46 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements;
15:40:46 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:40:46 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates;
15:40:46 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:40:49 <janina> agenda+ EPUB Specs Accessibility Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:DPub
15:40:52 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:40:54 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:40:57 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:51:39 <janina>  Regrets: David_Fazio, Gottfried_Zimmerman, Amy_Carney
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16:00:09 <becky> agenda?
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16:03:11 <Fredrik> present+
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16:04:12 <JF> Present+
16:04:15 <JF> agenda?
16:04:34 <becky> regrets: Amy Carney, David Fazio, Gottfried Zimmerman
16:04:55 <PaulG> present+
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16:05:42 <mike_beganyi> present+
16:06:28 <janina> present+
16:14:11 <becky> present+
16:14:59 <mike_beganyi> scribe: mike_beganyi
16:15:08 <becky> zakim, next item
16:15:08 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements; -- taken up [from janina]
16:15:25 <mike_beganyi> introductions were done to welcome Andrew Nevins to the group
16:16:34 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa-admin/2021Sep/0000.html
16:16:59 <mike_beganyi> janina: CFC open for synchronization accessibility user requirements
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16:19:01 <Jonny_James> present+
16:19:03 <mike_beganyi> please take a look at the above. opportunity to +1 the CFC
16:19:29 <becky> zakim, next item
16:19:30 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings -- taken up [from janina]
16:20:37 <mike_beganyi> becky: little bit of hiccup. seems like we were scheduling during the wrong week. SOUR has been recast and we have asked for the same time.
16:21:02 <mike_beganyi> becky: meeting with CSS. opened up to wider group. can be a breakout. requested at the same time
16:21:17 <mike_beganyi> becky: other meeting requested between COGA and Personalization. work on finding time within/without TPAC
16:21:27 <becky> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021#General_TPAC_Info
16:21:55 <becky> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings#Joint_Group_meetings
16:22:20 <mike_beganyi> janina: two sessions scheduled with EPUB for the second week
16:22:46 <becky> zakim, next item
16:22:46 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates; -- taken up [from janina]
16:23:02 <mike_beganyi> becky: no COGA rep here today
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16:25:49 <mike_beganyi> janina: research questions looking at additional breakouts. proposals coming from them. Josh will help with requests. Research questions about how to host an accessible virtual meeting. Scott (co-facilitator) will be a lead presenter. joint sessions coming out of research questions. COGA has a few. slowly progressing at figuring out what they are. request a CFC for natural language accessibility user requirements hopefully before TPAC.
16:26:53 <mike_beganyi> janina: what we might to do mitigate flashes. buffering by a small time interval might be enough to mitigate flashing on web pages
16:28:18 <janina> https://uxdesign.cc/how-to-avoid-twitters-latest-accessibility-mistakes-e0910f9f0ae7
16:28:18 <mike_beganyi> becky: Personalization: had meeting with i18n. one of the issues holding up first content module going to CR. had a discussion. they had some concerns about left-right languages. wanted to see some more complex examples. update Cup of Tea example to include a full paragraph of information.
16:28:35 <mike_beganyi> becky: work on assigning tasks at next Personalization meeting
16:30:50 <mike_beganyi> PaulG: Pronunciation: informal meeting this week. low turnout. made a decision to move forward with an edit to first public working draft .  feedback on examples, grammar: nuanced changes
16:32:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: two groups that develop normative specifications: Personalization and Pronunciation. specs need to be worked on as drafts until ready to publish a wide public review. once published, get comments from wider public and then respond to them. can pursue or deny requests. sometimes can be very useful
16:32:49 <mike_beganyi> janina: update a working draft every 3 months or so. preferred rate of updating the working draft. once the spec is ready to be finished (recommendation status), there's a series of steps: various recommendations
16:33:44 <mike_beganyi> janina: something we do at APA is review other groups' specifications. we are one of the four groups in W3C that does horizontal review. when they publish or get close to CR status, we look at the specs and sign off or address concerns
16:34:08 <becky> zakim, take up item 5
16:34:08 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- EPUB Specs Accessibility Review https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:DPub -- taken up [from janina]
16:34:37 <mike_beganyi> becky: EPUB has many specs they are updating. they have asked for accessibility review
16:35:08 <becky> full list of EPUB publications: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:DPub
16:35:50 <becky> EPUB 3.3 https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-33/
16:35:55 <mike_beganyi> janina: EPUB gave us a list of three to review. more likely than not, things are in good shape. owe them a good full read. they are moving towards a 3.3 release in EPUB. Three specs for review. if they come up we will discuss them here. meetings scheduled during TPAC
16:36:02 <becky> EPUB 3.3 Reading systems: https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-rs-33/
16:36:28 <becky> EPUB  Accessibility 1.1 https://www.w3.org/TR/epub-a11y-11/
16:37:02 <mike_beganyi> janina: need to find at least two APA members to review and discuss here in the group. at least two members per spec would be thorough. Research Questions may also be interested in reviewing these
16:38:24 <mike_beganyi> becky: I would like to look at EPUB 1.1 document
16:39:03 <mike_beganyi> janina: will review before making a commitment to one of the docs
16:39:32 <janina> https://chaucer.fas.harvard.edu/pages/literary-works
16:40:39 <mike_beganyi> janina: original spelling and orthography in a modern gloss. kind of publication that important in history. various places where this kind of publication is highly useful. we support this but could be better for accessibility purposes
16:40:58 <mike_beganyi> anevins: what does a review consist of?
16:42:22 <mike_beganyi> janina: we look at formats. some groups forget alt text, diagrams without detailed summary elements. we look at formatting, color contrast, etc. we also look at substance of what they say and look for potential accessibility issue for whatever reason. we are trying to give them a checklist to help guide accessibility support in spec drafting
16:43:41 <JF> Q+
16:44:08 <mike_beganyi> anevins: this may be something I can contribute to as a newcomer to the group
16:44:39 <mike_beganyi> janina: if you know WCAG you will likely have what's required for EPUB
16:44:56 <mike_beganyi> janina: we look at CSS specs, we look at anything by W3C
16:45:08 <mike_beganyi> q+
16:45:37 <mike_beganyi> janina: good to have people review things that aren't in the weeds, so to speak.
16:45:42 <mike_beganyi> ack JF
16:45:50 <becky> ack, JF
16:46:55 <mike_beganyi> JF: formal process piece. just to tack on, EPUB docs today are HTML or XHTML. the difference for EPUB is some of the packaging that are above and beyond accessibility concerns. EPUB format is essentially ZIP. multiple HTML docs inside the container. change the EPUB container file to ZIP and you can see all relevant dependent files
16:47:28 <mike_beganyi> JF: metadata requirements that hold information. in terms of accessibility review, if you know WCAG you're good to go
16:47:32 <becky> ack, mike
16:48:13 <Fredrik> q+
16:48:27 <becky> ack, mike_beganyi
16:48:35 <mike_beganyi> mike_beganyi: would like to volunteer for an EPUB review. will select a doc after looking at the three
16:49:00 <becky> ack, Fredrik
16:49:11 <mike_beganyi> janina: joint meeting with EPUB for 26th, 28th. if we're ready 2 weeks in advance that's all the better
16:49:28 <becky> q?
16:49:34 <becky> ack mike_beganyi
16:49:38 <mike_beganyi> janina: will touch back on these next week and assign actions
16:49:50 <becky> ack fred
16:49:50 <becky> q?
16:50:01 <becky> zakim, next item
16:50:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates; -- taken up [from janina]
16:50:13 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:50:13 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:50:14 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:50:14 <Zakim> 4. FAST Progress [from janina]
16:50:30 <becky> zakim, close item 4
16:50:30 <Zakim> agendum 4, FAST Progress, closed
16:50:31 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:50:31 <Zakim> 6. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
16:50:36 <becky> zakim, next item
16:50:36 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
16:51:28 <mike_beganyi> JF: sidebar on that page with a "My Tracker" feature to see your actions
16:52:29 <janina> action-2287?
16:52:29 <trackbot> action-2287 -- John Foliot to Look at https://www.w3.org/wai/apa/wiki/media_capabilities and provide comments to our group next week -- due 2021-04-21 -- PENDINGREVIEW
16:52:29 <trackbot> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2287
16:52:33 <JF> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/2287
16:53:52 <mike_beganyi> JF: will close this action. probably need to follow-up to see what's happening
16:54:12 <mike_beganyi> janina: will want to move specification to CR status but before they can we have to check a checkbox.
16:54:57 <mike_beganyi> becky: AOB?
16:55:21 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
16:55:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-apa-minutes.html becky
16:56:53 <becky> zakim, clear agenda
16:56:53 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:56:58 <becky> zakim, end meeting
16:56:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been Fredrik, JF, PaulG, mike_beganyi, janina, becky, Jonny_James
16:57:00 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/15-apa-minutes.html Zakim
16:57:03 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, becky; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:57:14 <becky> rrsagent, bye
16:57:14 <RRSAgent> I see no action items