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14:54:53 <Zakim> Meeting: Publishing Steering Committee
14:57:51 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2021Sep/0000.html
14:58:46 <tzviya> present+
14:59:36 <Ralph> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/07/09-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 9 July
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15:01:52 <ivan> present+
15:01:53 <dauwhe> scribe+ dauwhe
15:02:05 <Ralph> present+
15:02:37 <Ralph> regrets+ Cristina
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15:04:06 <Ralph> present+ George
15:04:12 <Ralph> present+ Daihei
15:04:27 <Ralph> present+ WendyReid
15:04:28 <dauwhe> tzviya: let's get started
15:04:48 <Ralph> topic: Publishing@W3C Public Seminar next Tuesday
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15:05:02 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2021/09/publishing-seminar/
15:05:03 <avneeshsingh> present+
15:05:04 <dauwhe> tzviya: I hope you all saw the invitation to this open meeting
15:05:16 <dauwhe> ... thanks to those who recorded videos
15:05:23 <dauwhe> ... no thanks to those who didn't
15:05:36 <dauwhe> ... let's come up with some questions in advance
15:05:45 <dauwhe> ... in case the audience is quiet
15:06:07 <dauwhe> ... I will start by introducing people and giving a 3-min intro
15:06:11 <dauwhe> ... then open the floor to questions
15:06:17 <dauwhe> ... have people watched the videos yet?
15:06:22 <dauwhe> ... there's a lot on a11y
15:06:30 <dauwhe> ... audiobooks
15:06:36 <dauwhe> ... CG
15:06:59 <mateus> present+
15:06:59 <dauwhe> ... any thoughts on potential questions?
15:07:00 <Ralph> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishingcg/2021Sep/0000.html Join us for Publishing@W3C Open Discussion, 14 September, 2021
15:07:04 <mateus> q+
15:07:13 <tzviya>  ack Ralph
15:07:28 <dauwhe> Ralph: thanks to Tzviya and everyone who provided content and advvice
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15:07:53 <George> present+
15:07:55 <dauwhe> ... Karen has been meeting with potential members
15:08:19 <dauwhe> ... in every one of those meetings, their top interest is a11y
15:08:35 <dauwhe> ... what is wcag 2.2? what is wcag 3? what is epub a11y doing?
15:09:12 <dauwhe> ... they nod and smile about improvements to EPUB spec
15:09:29 <dauwhe> ... but a11y is #1
15:09:39 <George> George has joined #pbgsc
15:10:06 <dauwhe> ... we're doing a lot on a11y, but there are probably other issues
15:10:34 <wendyreid> q+
15:10:35 <tzviya> ack mateus
15:10:35 <dauwhe> ... what more do we need to do to advance digital publishing?
15:10:51 <dauwhe> mateus: we've had trouble with engagement
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15:11:10 <dauwhe> ... lots of change in the industry
15:11:16 <dauwhe> ... people aren't energized about work generally
15:11:29 <dauwhe> ... could we start telegraphing more exciting new work we are plannign for the future
15:11:40 <dauwhe> ... what's next?
15:11:46 <dauwhe> ... for EPUB? For a11y?
15:12:00 <tzviya> q+ to talk about call on Oct 27
15:12:01 <dauwhe> ... how our work depends on community participation
15:12:18 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
15:12:22 <dauwhe> ... how people can participate with no tech background
15:12:40 <dauwhe> wendyreid: we should talk about task forces
15:12:51 <dauwhe> ... the WG is boring, talking about obscure issues
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15:13:00 <dauwhe> ... but interesting work is happening in the task force
15:13:12 <dauwhe> ... locaters, FXL a11y, a11y in general
15:13:16 <dauwhe> ... what else is going on?
15:13:20 <George> q?
15:13:29 <George> q+
15:13:30 <dauwhe> ... some might be in a future epub
15:13:53 <dauwhe> tzviya: we have a 10/27 call for what happens after EPUB 3.3
15:14:04 <dauwhe> ... we could give people a chance to summarize
15:14:22 <dauwhe> ... Mateus could talk about the CG and new ideas
15:14:29 <dauwhe> ... Wendy could talk about the WG
15:14:44 <mateus> q+
15:14:49 <dauwhe> ack tz
15:14:49 <Zakim> tzviya, you wanted to talk about call on Oct 27
15:14:51 <dauwhe> ack ge
15:14:52 <tzviya> ack ge
15:15:01 <dauwhe> George: responding to Mateus
15:15:24 <dauwhe> ... I'm shocked that we have still pictures in books where a short video would be much more constructive
15:15:31 <dauwhe> ... like the battle of gettysburg
15:15:42 <dauwhe> ... we have to resolve these kinds of issues
15:15:51 <dauwhe> ... otherwise we're viewed as being stodgy
15:15:51 <liisamk> q+
15:15:54 <dauwhe> ack mat
15:15:58 <tzviya> ack mateus
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15:16:07 <dauwhe> mateus: ideas for the future...
15:16:15 <dauwhe> ... I'm on board with energizing folks
15:16:26 <dauwhe> ... one challenge is that, even if we get people excited
15:16:35 <dauwhe> ... we can't accomplish anyone without participation
15:16:57 <dauwhe> ... when people see that we're not acting on ideas, they will stop participating
15:17:13 <dauwhe> ... if we're sharing ideas, we need an action plan
15:17:21 <dauwhe> ... otherwise we'll alienate the community
15:17:23 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:17:33 <dauwhe> liisamk: re: George
15:17:52 <dauwhe> ... people did books with embedded video
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15:18:00 <dauwhe> ... didn't have much support from reading systems
15:18:13 <dauwhe> ... didn't have a way to use only one file
15:18:18 <dauwhe> ... problem with poster frames
15:18:25 <dauwhe> ... so people just don't do it
15:18:36 <dauwhe> ... we need engagement for implementation
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15:18:44 <dauwhe> ... or some best practices for people to buy into
15:19:27 <dauwhe> tzviya: because of limitations of reading systems we can't deliver the youtube experience
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15:20:01 <dauwhe> ... the immersive experience doesn't work
15:20:17 <dauwhe> ... user experience is not good in epub for these things
15:20:31 <dauwhe> ... if we can get over that hurdle it will be better
15:20:38 <dauwhe> ... but right now people will use hte web for that
15:20:57 <dauwhe> s/hte/the/
15:21:05 <mateus> +1
15:21:38 <liisamk> q+
15:21:40 <dauwhe> ... hopefully y'all will be there on September 14
15:21:50 <tzviya> ack liisamk
15:21:58 <dauwhe> liisamk: should we send questions to this mailing list?
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15:22:01 <dauwhe> tzviya: yes, please.
15:22:12 <dauwhe> ... I'll call on people to ask their own questions.
15:22:28 <dauwhe> Topic: planning for TPAC
15:22:38 <dauwhe> tzviya: we've talked about various sessions
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15:23:09 <dauwhe> ... what are the EPUB sessions?
15:23:24 <dauwhe> ... EPUB is hosting our own session
15:23:31 <dauwhe> ... meeting with APA
15:23:54 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:23:55 <dauwhe> ivan: we don't know because PING will have a call next week with us
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15:24:03 <dauwhe> ... that may end up as joint meeting at TPAC
15:24:26 <dauwhe> ... from our POV we don't need a meeting with i18n
15:24:31 <dauwhe> ... same for CSS, no open issues
15:24:57 <dauwhe> ... APA will have a meeting with EPUB
15:24:58 <avneeshsingh> q+
15:25:01 <dauwhe> ack av
15:25:02 <tzviya> ack avneeshsingh
15:25:15 <dauwhe> avneeshsingh: two hours on 28th with APA
15:25:31 <dauwhe> ... topic: horizontal review, then discussion of paralell work with css and other groups
15:25:37 <dauwhe> ... and spoken pronunciation
15:25:44 <dauwhe> ... there's a task force under APA
15:25:54 <dauwhe> ... how pronunciation can help in publishing
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15:26:03 <dauwhe> ... most things are not epub-specific
15:26:27 <dauwhe> ... meeting on Oct 25 Monday, objective is brainstorming for a11y metadata values used by various groups
15:26:43 <dauwhe> ... should we use process 2021 regestries?
15:26:48 <dauwhe> q?
15:26:59 <dauwhe> tzviya: will the BG meet?
15:27:10 <dauwhe> liisamk: we were thinking about a conference day
15:27:29 <dauwhe> ... but given the schedule we might just have our regular meeting during TPAC and then do conference day the next month
15:27:39 <dauwhe> tzviya: week of 25th is for joint meetings
15:27:47 <dauwhe> tzviya: what's the CG planning?
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15:28:05 <dauwhe> mateus: we'll have a regular meeting, talking about road-mapping our priorities
15:28:12 <dauwhe> ... scheduling the work we want to do
15:28:29 <dauwhe> tzviya: CG and WG chairs should meet
15:28:36 <dauwhe> mateus: yeah, let's strategize together
15:28:44 <dauwhe> tzviya: maybe before the call on the 27th
15:28:47 <dauwhe> mateus: great
15:29:12 <dauwhe> tzviya: ralph, you asked about encouraging broader participation
15:29:22 <dauwhe> ... Ralph might not be here
15:29:38 <dauwhe> ... are there sessions that would be good for potential members to observe
15:29:45 <dauwhe> ... probably not regestries ;)
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15:30:04 <dauwhe> liisamk: does it make sense to open our BG meeting the week before to any potential new members
15:30:13 <dauwhe> ... we are going to talk about business needs of epub next
15:30:19 <dauwhe> tzviya: which day?
15:30:33 <dauwhe> liisamk: maybe it should be 19th?
15:30:37 <dauwhe> tzviya: OK
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15:30:53 <dauwhe> ... is the epub.next call public?
15:30:56 <dauwhe> wendyreid: I think so?
15:31:02 <dauwhe> tzviya: we could just invite them?
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15:31:40 <dauwhe> liisamk: we're looking for an asia BG call next week
15:31:47 <dauwhe> ... so we can follow up on videos
15:32:34 <dauwhe> tzviya: karen would like to know about sessions that might be good for potential members
15:32:51 <dauwhe> tzviya: anything else?
15:33:16 <dauwhe> George: is there was a spot where we can see the calendar for that week?
15:33:22 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:33:28 <dauwhe> tzviya: there's a link but it might not be accurate yet
15:33:57 <dauwhe> ... it's up to the chairs to fill out
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15:34:13 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/2021/10/TPAC/
15:34:16 <dauwhe> ... there are also breakout sessions at TPAC
15:34:54 <tzviya> https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/SessionIdeas
15:35:32 <dauwhe> tzviya: (describing sessions)
15:35:41 <dauwhe> ... and you can propose a session
15:36:06 <dauwhe> ... anything else?
15:36:11 <dauwhe> (crickets)
15:36:22 <dauwhe> ... thanks everyone!
15:36:37 <tzviya> rrsagent, make minutes
15:36:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/10-pbgsc-minutes.html tzviya
15:36:38 <dauwhe> zakim, end meeting
15:36:38 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been tzviya, mateus, dauwhe, ivan, Ralph, liisamk, George, Daihei, WendyReid, avneeshsingh
15:36:40 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
15:36:40 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/10-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
15:36:43 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, dauwhe; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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15:36:48 <dauwhe> RRSAgent: bye
15:36:48 <RRSAgent> I see no action items