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15:53:20 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:53:20 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2021
15:53:28 <janina> agenda?
15:53:33 <janina> 
15:53:53 <janina> agenda?
15:53:57 <janina> ~.
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15:54:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:54:24 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2021
15:54:36 <janina> q!
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15:55:12 <janina> agenda?
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15:55:24 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:55:24 <trackbot> Date: 01 September 2021
15:55:26 <janina> agenda?
15:55:29 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:55:30 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
15:55:30 <janina> agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
15:55:30 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates
15:55:30 <janina> agenda+ FAST Update
15:55:32 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:55:35 <janina> agenda+ A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:55:38 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:55:40 <janina> agenda+ CSS Update &  Comment Feedback (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:55:43 <janina> agenda+ Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
15:55:46 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:55:48 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:55:51 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:59:42 <janina>  regrets: Gottfried_Zimmerman, Fredrik_Fischer
16:01:13 <PaulG> present+
16:01:44 <becky> becky has joined #apa
16:03:37 <Joshue108> Present+
16:04:23 <mike_beganyi> mike_beganyi has joined #apa
16:05:05 <becky> scribe: becky
16:05:43 <becky> present+
16:05:51 <becky> zakim, next item
16:05:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
16:06:33 <becky> janina: std. agenda, asking for announcements? None heard.
16:06:38 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:06:39 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:39 <Zakim> 2. TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 [from janina]
16:06:43 <becky> zakim, next item
16:06:43 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021 -- taken up [from janina]
16:07:19 <mike_beganyi> present+
16:07:31 <becky> janina: making progress getting meetings set up for TPAC; have moved some meetings between weeks; expect to be finalized by mid-september
16:07:45 <becky> janina : don't expect many more meetings, just need to get people engaged
16:08:03 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:08:03 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:08:03 <becky> zakim, next item
16:08:04 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:08:04 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Updates [from janina]
16:08:04 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates -- taken up [from janina]
16:10:11 <becky> janina: process change for how to move to CR - now require 90 days of horizontal review from 5 groups. Personalization may need to perform those horizontal reviews before we can go to CR. Some are likely complete - but def. need accessibility and security and one open issue from I18N
16:10:48 <becky> Janina: US holiday next Monday, religious holidays next week
16:13:00 <becky> janina : research questions resolved to publish synchronization accessibility user requirements (SAUR); will refer to FCC guidance within the document - working out the language for that statement; After that is complete will be issuing a CfC; will make it a bit longer due to holidays.
16:13:17 <becky> q?
16:14:10 <becky> Lionel: curious about the FCC document
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16:14:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> q?
16:14:32 <Lionel_Wolberger> agenda?
16:15:00 <becky> Janina: we may need to track the FCC work more closely in the future
16:15:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
16:15:20 <becky> PaulG: putting together an updated working draft for pronunciation
16:16:51 <becky> Janina: no one here from COGA, have been discussing TPAC meetings with the chairs around symbols and internationalization - suggests that a meeting with RQTF might be a better first step
16:17:44 <becky> janina : to talk about putting together another AUR doc around symbols
16:18:29 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: (a bit off topic) but many APA and W3C emails are going to spam; suggest people check their spam
16:19:35 <becky> MichaelC: this has been a periodic problem for W3C - explains basic reasons (but W3C isn't doing anything wrong)
16:20:19 <becky> janina: perhaps we need to add something to onboarding emails that reminds people to whitelist W3C lists
16:20:39 <becky> MichaelC: AG and ARIA have already done that, we can use that as a template
16:20:56 <becky> zakim, next item
16:20:56 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Update -- taken up [from janina]
16:22:09 <becky> MichaelC: talked with Josh this week, have the seeds of a project plan, want to show it off at TPAC; my geek week project (W3C staff gets to spend time doing fun tech stuff) will be to work on this
16:22:27 <becky> josh: geek week starts on sept. 13
16:23:12 <becky> josh: thinking of including the evolution of how the FAST has progressed in the demo/talk
16:24:04 <becky> zakim, next item
16:24:04 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
16:24:13 <becky> q?
16:24:44 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/284
16:25:04 <MichaelC> https://w3c.github.io/charter-drafts/html-2021.html
16:26:46 <becky> MichaelC : HTML draft re-charter has been looked at from ARIA perspective; APA is not listed as a liaison - we have asked for that but it seems to be on hold/in discussion
16:27:22 <becky> janina: think we need metadata at element level in addition to page level -- personalization
16:28:03 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger : this could help advance personalization and get more interest
16:29:39 <becky> janina: registry is part of the story - there is a proposal within W3C that we provide a registry repository/ schema
16:30:33 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: similar to a namespace in XML?
16:31:36 <becky> janina: yes, this can let people know "features" of a resource before exploring - example: knowing if a movie has audio description before renting
16:33:22 <becky> Janina: can selectively review the registry - for example, I care about audio description and not captions
16:34:28 <becky> zakim, next item
16:34:28 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- A11y Review Comment Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
16:34:53 <becky> MichaelC : a11y self review for CSS scrollbars
16:34:54 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/6555
16:36:38 <becky> MichaelC: they adapted our FAST checklist; they meet many req. but saying there is not provision for exposing colors of scrollbars to a11y api - they believe this is the responsibility of the a11y API
16:36:50 <becky> janina: is there a req. document for the A11y API?
16:37:39 <becky> MichaelC: will try to find;
16:38:21 <becky> MichaelC: this issues shows up in wide review tracker and the a11y review tracker
16:38:48 <becky> zakim, next item
16:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
16:39:04 <becky> MichaelC : 6 new ones today
16:39:30 <becky> MichaelC : 3 are Web XR- overlays module, hit test module, and depth sensing
16:40:04 <becky> janina: how do they define depth
16:40:19 <becky> MichaelC : there is an api for how to get the information but doesn't seem to have a definition
16:41:29 <becky> josh: challenge with XR is identifying where there are a11y touch points that are embedded in the specs; suggest that we need to review
16:42:19 <becky> michael: they are FPWD should we defer?
16:43:09 <becky> josh: I will look at dom overlay and hit testing
16:44:03 <becky> janina: I will look at depth sensing
16:44:54 <becky> MichaelC : pure payment confirmation - FPWD
16:44:55 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/secure-payment-confirmation/ Secure Payment Confirmation
16:45:08 <becky> s/pure/secure
16:46:04 <becky> MichaelC: hoping for a secure accessible receipt but this is just that user has agreed to pay
16:46:10 <becky> janina: group agrees no need to review
16:46:12 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/did-rubric/ DID Method Rubric v1.0
16:47:13 <becky> MichaelC: group indicates need to better define what decentralized means;
16:49:39 <becky> PaulG: lack of examples, esp. for AT
16:51:10 <becky> PaulG: may need an alternative form of DID - for example, git hashes aren't recognizable but we use names for branches to identify them
16:52:11 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: group is passionate about decentralization; this rubric is a checklist or evaluation tool to define/access/measure.
16:53:44 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: compares to robert's rules of order - they don't include accessibility, they are just rules; likewise does the decentralization "rules" operate in the same manner
16:54:21 <becky> Lionel_Wolberger: don't believe we need to review; when they get down to user experience we can dive deeper; currently too theoretical
16:54:27 <becky> janina: we won't review for now
16:54:28 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/css-nesting-1/ CSS Nesting Module
16:55:09 <becky> MichaelC : add ability to nest style rules within one another; believe it is low enough level that we don't need to review
16:55:13 <becky> janina: agreed
16:55:22 <becky> zakim, next item
16:55:22 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update &  Comment Feedback (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from janina]
16:55:33 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:55:33 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:55:34 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:55:34 <Zakim> 9. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from janina]
16:55:38 <becky> zakim, next item
16:55:38 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from janina]
16:56:04 <becky> janina: any reports on outstanding items?
16:56:06 <becky> crickets
16:56:31 <becky> zakim, close this tiem
16:56:31 <Zakim> I don't understand 'close this tiem', becky
16:56:36 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:56:36 <Zakim> agendum 9 closed
16:56:37 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:56:37 <Zakim> 10. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
16:56:49 <becky> janina: end of call
16:56:55 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
16:56:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-apa-minutes.html becky
16:57:34 <becky> zakim, clear agenda
16:57:34 <Zakim> agenda cleared
16:57:47 <becky> zakim, end meeting
16:57:47 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been PaulG, Joshue, becky, mike_beganyi, Lionel_Wolberger
16:57:49 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:57:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/09/01-apa-minutes.html Zakim
16:57:52 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, becky; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:58:04 <becky> rrsagent, bye
16:58:04 <RRSAgent> I see no action items