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17:41:19 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
17:41:26 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Jemma
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18:04:57 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/August-31%2C-2021-Agenda
18:05:05 <Jemma> present+
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18:05:22 <Matt_King> present+ Bryan
18:05:32 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Next meeting date
18:05:32 <isaacdurazo> present+
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18:06:24 <Matt_King> Jemma: anyone oppose not have meeting on sep 7
18:06:31 <Matt_King> mk: support no meeting
18:06:35 <Matt_King> james: +1
18:06:45 <CurtBelle> present +
18:06:47 <Matt_King> Decision: next meeting is sep 14
18:06:49 <CurtBelle> +1
18:07:02 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Redesign Project
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18:07:43 <Matt_King> Isaac: working on the redesign prototype, tackling some of the isues/feedback.
18:07:57 <Jemma> present+ MarkMcCarthy
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18:07:59 <isaacdurazo> https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues/1
18:07:59 <Matt_King> Posted list of issues we are working on in redesign issue
18:08:01 <MarkMcCarthy> present+
18:08:39 <Matt_King> After we fix these things, we will do usability study.
18:08:53 <Matt_King> We have recruited people with a survey.
18:09:04 <Matt_King> sent on twitter and slack community.
18:09:21 <Matt_King> Have 31 candidates
18:09:46 <Matt_King> Starting coordinating this week and plan to run study week of sep 13
18:10:16 <Matt_King> We have diverse backgrounds, eg, design specialists, developers, etc
18:10:29 <Matt_King> Asked about level of experience with AX in the survey
18:11:10 <Matt_King> Goal is to select most diverse slate possible, range of experience and knowledge and range of professions
18:11:51 <Matt_King> Planning to talk to 2 groups: 6 from this list of 31 candidates is group 1.
18:11:57 <Jemma> q+ to ask which specific slack channel
18:12:20 <Matt_King> Grop 2 are people Isaac interviewed during research phase.
18:12:25 <Jemma> Present+ JesDaigle
18:12:39 <Jemma> present+ Bryan_ Garaventa
18:13:48 <Matt_King> Will share study plan with user tasks and questionaire by end of this week.
18:14:00 <Matt_King> Will share in APG Redesign repo.
18:14:28 <Matt_King> After study, will develop plan for next iteration of prototype.
18:15:11 <Matt_King> Will go on parental leave in mid October.
18:15:19 <jamesn> present+
18:15:51 <Matt_King> q?
18:16:01 <Matt_King> Jemma: which slack?
18:16:16 <Matt_King> Isaac: in genera a11y slack
18:18:52 <Matt_King> Jemma: mk: How can we engage everyone who participated in survey?
18:19:07 <Jemma> it is also a great outreach oppournity for APG
18:19:14 <Matt_King> Isaac: Would like to do that. I will rech out to them.
18:19:25 <Jemma> +1 to Mck
18:19:50 <Matt_King> Will likely do another survey and keep these people in the loop.
18:20:42 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Open PRs
18:21:05 <Jemma> regret+ jongund
18:21:19 <Jemma> mck: need some support for test review
18:21:31 <Jemma> #1878
18:22:07 <Jemma> jemma will finish the review tonight and it will be ready for merge.
18:24:50 <Jemma> mck: we need to address using skip to js which pulled from cdn.
18:25:30 <Jemma> mck: radio group, landmark, check box are ready for merge this week.
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18:26:41 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Tooltip Subgroup
18:27:28 <Matt_King> Jemma: Sarah will will be creating PR for an example and a PR for updated guidance
18:28:21 <Matt_King> mk: what about tooltip role?
18:28:37 <Matt_King> Siri: talked about using it even though not supported by AT
18:29:00 <Matt_King> James: Found something in NVDA that might use the role.
18:29:17 <Matt_King> If there is no use, then we should consider deprecation.
18:29:32 <Matt_King> But, if there is utility, we should figure out what that is.
18:31:06 <Matt_King> TOPIC: Switch Pattern
18:31:22 <Jemma> https://pr-preview.s3.amazonaws.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1891.html#switch
18:32:33 <Jemma> mck: I have been thinking about question regarding how to distingish switch from checkbox
18:32:48 <Jemma> mck:"A switch is an input widget that allows users to choose one of two values: on or off. A switch is similar to a checkbox that allows users to choose between the values of checked or unchecked. However, unlike a switch, a checkbox can also allow a third value of partially checked."
18:33:37 <Jemma> mck: discussion is on "Since switch and checkbox both offer binary input, semantically, they are often interchangeable. So, unlike other ARIA roles, the most appropriate choice of role can depend on visual presentation. However, there are circumstances where the semantics of on or off are easier for assistive technology users to understand than the semantics of checked or unchecked, and vice versa. For instance, screen reader output of
18:33:37 <Jemma> Lights switch button on is more user friendly than Lights checkbox checked if the function of the widget were to turn some lights on or off. However, if the same input were in a group of inputs labeled Which of the following must be included in your pre-takeoff procedures?, Lights checkbox checked would make more sense."
18:34:28 <Jemma> mck: is above worded correctly?
18:36:31 <MarkMcCarthy> +1
18:36:55 <CurtBellew> +1
18:41:49 <Jemma> mck: revision "choosing whether switch or checkbox is most approproiate for
18:42:41 <Jemma> given implementation
18:43:16 <Matt_King> So, choosing whether switch or checkbox is most appripriate for a given implementation can depend on visual presentation.
18:45:11 <Jemma> mck: final edit is "choosing whether switch or checkbox is most appripriate for a given implementation can depend on visual design"
18:46:14 <Jemma> mark is reading "However, there are circumstances where the semantics of on or off are easier for assistive technology users to understand than the semantics of checked or unchecked, and vice versa. For instance, screen reader output of
18:46:14 <Jemma> 1:33 PM
18:46:14 <Jemma> Lights switch button on is more user friendly than Lights checkbox checked if the function of the widget were to turn some lights on or off. However, if the same input were in a group of inputs labeled Which of the following must be included in your pre-takeoff procedures?, Lights checkbox checked would make more sense."
18:46:41 <MarkMcCarthy> s/1:33 PM/
18:47:41 <Jemma> siri: what if there is only one check box?
18:49:02 <Jemma> mck: I am trying to come up with the different scenario for different use cases.
18:52:25 <CurtBellew> I need to drop off.  Not feeling well. See you next time.
18:55:14 <Jemma> mck: since it is straght forward for each eaxmple description,  we would not need paragraph before example section. also not having this contents are consistent as it is following the APG template.
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18:56:27 <Jemma> zakim, who is here?
18:56:27 <Zakim> Present: Matt_King, Jemma, Rich_Noah, Bryan, isaacdurazo, MarkMcCarthy, JesDaigle, Bryan_, Garaventa, jamesn
18:56:30 <Zakim> On IRC I see siri, MarkMcCarthy, CurtBellew, Jemma, Rich_Noah, isaacdurazo, Matt_King, RRSAgent, Zakim, MichaelC, github-bot, jamesn, s3ththompson, ZoeBijl, trackbot
18:57:49 <Jemma> group is talking about comparison between one check box with the switch.
18:58:36 <Jemma> ...one check box may be just read "turn on" by the screen reader
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