IRC log of wpwg on 2021-08-19

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Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
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Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20210819
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Chair: Adrian_Hope-Bailie
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Scribe: Ian
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agenda+ Charter
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agenda+ Remote meeting during TPAC
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agenda+ SPC to FPWD
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agenda+ Deprecating Basic Card
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agenda+ Web Monetization Workshop Recap
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present+ Ian_Jacobs
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present+ David_Benoit
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present+ Bastien_Latge
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present+ Anne_Pouillard
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present+ Jean-Michel_Girard
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present+ Uchi_Uchibeke
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present+
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present+ Stephen_McGruer
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present+ Susan_Pandy
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regrets+ Nick_Telford-Reed
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present+ Fawad_Nisar
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present+ Clinton_Allen
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Chair: Ian_Jacobs
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zakim, take up item 1
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agendum 1 -- Charter -- taken up [from Ian]
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-> https://www.w3.org/Payments/WG/charter-2021.html Draft charter
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ACTION: Susan to review the charte.r
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present+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
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ACTION: David to review the charter
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Ian: I will hold the CfC until hearing from David and Susan.
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zakim, close item 1
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agendum 1, Charter, closed
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I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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2. Remote meeting during TPAC [from Ian]
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zakim, take up item 2
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agendum 2 -- Remote meeting during TPAC -- taken up [from Ian]
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-> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-TPAC2021 Meeting page
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PROPOSED: Meet 25-28 Oct 2021
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present+ Lawrence_Cheng
14:10:17 [clinton]
+1 (Who knows what else I will be doing)
14:10:50 [smcgruer_[EST]]
+1 (same :D)
14:11:05 [Ian]
Ian: Please send agenda suggestions
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SO RESOLVED
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zakim, close item 2
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agendum 2, Remote meeting during TPAC, closed
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I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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3. SPC to FPWD [from Ian]
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zakim, take up item 3
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agendum 3 -- SPC to FPWD -- taken up [from Ian]
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Ian: So far so good!
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FYI: May do press and promotion after test results available (assuming good); aiming for early October
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Stephen: Hope to see SPC in Chrome M95, of course subject to change.
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https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/Plan-2021
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Ian: What is status of TAG review of SPC?
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Stephen: Field by Danyao about 9 months ago; haven't commented in many months.
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...once explainer is updated, I'll reraise with the TAG
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ACTION: Stephen to reraise SPC with the TAG once the explainer has been updated (but independent of FWPD)
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zakim, close item 3
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agendum 3, SPC to FPWD, closed
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I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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4. Deprecating Basic Card [from Ian]
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zakim, take up item 4
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agendum 4 -- Deprecating Basic Card -- taken up [from Ian]
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-> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021Aug/0020.html CfC re: Basic Card
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present+ Jonathan_Grossar
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14:22:35 [Anne]
?
14:24:13 [Ian]
Anne: Basic Card is useful as a generic card method.
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...is there an alternative planned?
14:24:46 [Gerhard]
q+
14:26:20 [Ian]
Ian: I had understood we are moving away from browser-stored data to payment apps; that is orthogonal to the data model.
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Stephen: The reality of Basic Card was that there was not enough market interest in browser-based basic card. So I think we still have long term vision questions.
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Anne: There is a difference between browser-stored and having a standardized data model.
14:28:12 [Ian]
Gerhard: I agree. The contract between a merchant and a card issuer...having a standard pattern is useful. It doesn't have to be basic card. It can be token + expiry date + cryptogram.
14:28:17 [Ian]
...that could be very helpful.
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...doesn't need to be implemented in Chrome.
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...what we've seen with SPC is that there is more uptake as a small problem compared to the "large problem" addressed by PR API and PH API.
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...I'd like to see us explore another "small topic"...tokenized pan + expiry data + cryptogram
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q+
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ack Gerhard
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https://github.com/w3c/3ds/wiki
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https://w3c.github.io/webpayments-methods-tokenization/index.html
14:32:06 [Gerhard]
+1
14:32:10 [clinton]
+1 brainstorm is good.
14:32:26 [AdrianHB_]
present+ AdrianHB
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ACTION: Ian to coordinate a discussion on tokenized payment format (and reach out to Anne, Gerhard, Clinton, Adrian)
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zakim, close item 4
14:34:03 [Zakim]
I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ian
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q?
14:34:07 [Ian]
ack me
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zakim, close item 4
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agendum 4, Deprecating Basic Card, closed
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I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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5. Web Monetization Workshop Recap [from Ian]
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zakim, take up item 5
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agendum 5 -- Web Monetization Workshop Recap -- taken up [from Ian]
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AdrianHB: Web Monetization is being incubated. Coil introduced this about 2 years ago. It's being incubated in the WICG.
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-> https://webmonetization.org/
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AdrianHB: How it works:
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* Payment pointer goes in HTML header as wallet address to receive payment
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* Payments are done in the background from a web monetization provider (wallet); this is currently implemented as a browser extension
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...lots of experimentation over the past year
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...there is a "Grant" fund to support experimentation
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-> https://www.grantfortheweb.org/ Grant for the Web
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...and there was a developer workshop a couple of weeks ago
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...Uchi Uchibeke (Coil head of dev rel) will tell us the highlights
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present+ Uchi_Uchibeke
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Uchi: One observation is we should use <link> instead of <meta> for payment pointers
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...we are also simplifying the event model (2 instead of 3)
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...another interesting topic was branding
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...logo today has $ but we are going to work on internationalization and branding
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...we may need a Web Monetization brand so that web sites can clearly communicate they accept payments through that method
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...Next steps after workshop: (1) spec update (2) implementation of web monetization in browser (3) rafiki open source project
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...we are looking to use Browser Scholar problem to foster web monetization on more browsers.
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...I mentioned Grant for the Web to help fund sponsor projects related to web monetization
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-> https://github.com/interledger/rafiki Rafiki project
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Uchi: Rafiki project shows power of ILP
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-> https://webmonetization.org/specification.html Web Monetization spec
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[Demos that were shown at the workshop]
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[First demo shows two wallets interacting with page in parallel]
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[MicroDonor]
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q?
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AdrianHB: As a reminder, Web Monetization intends to be an open standard; suggest watching some showcases.
14:55:38 [Ian]
...use cases include low-friction payments, accessing premium payments, and other use cases that would be facilitated by having low-value payment support built into the browser
14:56:06 [Ian]
...if you are interested, see the Web Incubator CG
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-> https://community.webmonetization.org/ Community discussion
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AdrianHB: Web Monetization is close to some other use cases (e.g., digital goods)
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...are there people here interested in these use cases, and should web Monetization come to this group when and if it's time to standardize?
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..that's a question on our mind and we welcome input.
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Topic: Next meeting
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2 September
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RRSAGENT, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
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RRSAGENT, set logs public
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zakim, bye
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leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ian_Jacobs, David_Benoit, Bastien_Latge, Anne_Pouillard, Jean-Michel_Girard, Uchi_Uchibeke, Bastien, Stephen_McGruer,
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rrsagent, bye
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I see 4 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-actions.rdf :
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ACTION: Susan to review the charte.r [1]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-07-12
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ACTION: David to review the charter [2]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-08-15
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ACTION: Stephen to reraise SPC with the TAG once the explainer has been updated (but independent of FWPD) [3]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-19-31
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ACTION: Ian to coordinate a discussion on tokenized payment format (and reach out to Anne, Gerhard, Clinton, Adrian) [4]
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recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-33-37
15:02:41 [Zakim]
... Susan_Pandy, Fawad_Nisar, Clinton_Allen, Gerhard_Oosthuizen, Lawrence_Cheng, Jonathan_Grossar, AdrianHB