IRC log of wpwg on 2021-08-19
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc
- 13:57:56 [Ian]
- Meeting: Web Payments Working Group
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- Agenda: https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-20210819
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- Chair: Adrian_Hope-Bailie
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- Scribe: Ian
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- agenda+ Charter
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- agenda+ Remote meeting during TPAC
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- agenda+ SPC to FPWD
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- agenda+ Deprecating Basic Card
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- agenda+ Web Monetization Workshop Recap
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- present+ Ian_Jacobs
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- present+ David_Benoit
- 14:01:13 [Anne]
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- present+ Bastien_Latge
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- present+ Anne_Pouillard
- 14:01:31 [Ian]
- present+ Jean-Michel_Girard
- 14:02:13 [Ian]
- present+ Uchi_Uchibeke
- 14:02:27 [Bastien]
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- present+
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- present+ Stephen_McGruer
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- present+ Susan_Pandy
- 14:02:53 [JMGirard]
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- 14:03:27 [Ian]
- regrets+ Nick_Telford-Reed
- 14:03:41 [Uchi_]
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- 14:04:13 [Fawad]
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- present+ Fawad_Nisar
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- present+ Clinton_Allen
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- Chair: Ian_Jacobs
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- zakim, take up item 1
- 14:05:24 [Zakim]
- agendum 1 -- Charter -- taken up [from Ian]
- 14:05:48 [Ian]
- -> https://www.w3.org/Payments/WG/charter-2021.html Draft charter
- 14:07:12 [Ian]
- ACTION: Susan to review the charte.r
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- present+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
- 14:07:55 [Gerhard]
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- ACTION: David to review the charter
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- Ian: I will hold the CfC until hearing from David and Susan.
- 14:08:44 [Ian]
- zakim, close item 1
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- agendum 1, Charter, closed
- 14:08:45 [Zakim]
- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:08:45 [Zakim]
- 2. Remote meeting during TPAC [from Ian]
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- zakim, take up item 2
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- agendum 2 -- Remote meeting during TPAC -- taken up [from Ian]
- 14:09:17 [Ian]
- -> https://github.com/w3c/webpayments/wiki/Agenda-TPAC2021 Meeting page
- 14:09:49 [Ian]
- PROPOSED: Meet 25-28 Oct 2021
- 14:09:59 [Ian]
- present+ Lawrence_Cheng
- 14:10:17 [clinton]
- +1 (Who knows what else I will be doing)
- 14:10:50 [smcgruer_[EST]]
- +1 (same :D)
- 14:11:05 [Ian]
- Ian: Please send agenda suggestions
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- SO RESOLVED
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- zakim, close item 2
- 14:12:20 [Zakim]
- agendum 2, Remote meeting during TPAC, closed
- 14:12:21 [Zakim]
- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
- 14:12:21 [Zakim]
- 3. SPC to FPWD [from Ian]
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- zakim, take up item 3
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- agendum 3 -- SPC to FPWD -- taken up [from Ian]
- 14:12:55 [Ian]
- Ian: So far so good!
- 14:14:19 [Ian]
- FYI: May do press and promotion after test results available (assuming good); aiming for early October
- 14:16:46 [Ian]
- Stephen: Hope to see SPC in Chrome M95, of course subject to change.
- 14:17:11 [Ian]
- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/Plan-2021
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- Ian: What is status of TAG review of SPC?
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- Stephen: Field by Danyao about 9 months ago; haven't commented in many months.
- 14:18:14 [Ian]
- ...once explainer is updated, I'll reraise with the TAG
- 14:19:31 [Ian]
- ACTION: Stephen to reraise SPC with the TAG once the explainer has been updated (but independent of FWPD)
- 14:20:41 [Ian]
- zakim, close item 3
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- agendum 3, SPC to FPWD, closed
- 14:20:42 [Zakim]
- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 4. Deprecating Basic Card [from Ian]
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4 -- Deprecating Basic Card -- taken up [from Ian]
- 14:21:02 [Ian]
- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021Aug/0020.html CfC re: Basic Card
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- present+ Jonathan_Grossar
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- 14:22:35 [Anne]
- ?
- 14:24:13 [Ian]
- Anne: Basic Card is useful as a generic card method.
- 14:24:33 [Ian]
- ...is there an alternative planned?
- 14:24:46 [Gerhard]
- q+
- 14:26:20 [Ian]
- Ian: I had understood we are moving away from browser-stored data to payment apps; that is orthogonal to the data model.
- 14:26:54 [Ian]
- Stephen: The reality of Basic Card was that there was not enough market interest in browser-based basic card. So I think we still have long term vision questions.
- 14:27:17 [Ian]
- Anne: There is a difference between browser-stored and having a standardized data model.
- 14:28:12 [Ian]
- Gerhard: I agree. The contract between a merchant and a card issuer...having a standard pattern is useful. It doesn't have to be basic card. It can be token + expiry date + cryptogram.
- 14:28:17 [Ian]
- ...that could be very helpful.
- 14:28:31 [Ian]
- ...doesn't need to be implemented in Chrome.
- 14:29:01 [Ian]
- ...what we've seen with SPC is that there is more uptake as a small problem compared to the "large problem" addressed by PR API and PH API.
- 14:29:30 [Ian]
- ...I'd like to see us explore another "small topic"...tokenized pan + expiry data + cryptogram
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- q+
- 14:29:36 [Ian]
- ack Gerhard
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- https://github.com/w3c/3ds/wiki
- 14:31:07 [Ian]
- https://w3c.github.io/webpayments-methods-tokenization/index.html
- 14:32:06 [Gerhard]
- +1
- 14:32:10 [clinton]
- +1 brainstorm is good.
- 14:32:26 [AdrianHB_]
- present+ AdrianHB
- 14:33:37 [Ian]
- ACTION: Ian to coordinate a discussion on tokenized payment format (and reach out to Anne, Gerhard, Clinton, Adrian)
- 14:34:03 [Ian]
- zakim, close item 4
- 14:34:03 [Zakim]
- I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, Ian
- 14:34:05 [Ian]
- q?
- 14:34:07 [Ian]
- ack me
- 14:34:10 [Ian]
- zakim, close item 4
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- agendum 4, Deprecating Basic Card, closed
- 14:34:11 [Zakim]
- I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
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- 5. Web Monetization Workshop Recap [from Ian]
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- zakim, take up item 5
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- agendum 5 -- Web Monetization Workshop Recap -- taken up [from Ian]
- 14:34:45 [Ian]
- AdrianHB: Web Monetization is being incubated. Coil introduced this about 2 years ago. It's being incubated in the WICG.
- 14:34:57 [Ian]
- -> https://webmonetization.org/
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- AdrianHB: How it works:
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- * Payment pointer goes in HTML header as wallet address to receive payment
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- * Payments are done in the background from a web monetization provider (wallet); this is currently implemented as a browser extension
- 14:36:01 [Ian]
- ...lots of experimentation over the past year
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- ...there is a "Grant" fund to support experimentation
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- -> https://www.grantfortheweb.org/ Grant for the Web
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- ...and there was a developer workshop a couple of weeks ago
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- ...Uchi Uchibeke (Coil head of dev rel) will tell us the highlights
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- present+ Uchi_Uchibeke
- 14:40:08 [Ian]
- Uchi: One observation is we should use <link> instead of <meta> for payment pointers
- 14:41:07 [Ian]
- ...we are also simplifying the event model (2 instead of 3)
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- ...another interesting topic was branding
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- ...logo today has $ but we are going to work on internationalization and branding
- 14:42:56 [Ian]
- ...we may need a Web Monetization brand so that web sites can clearly communicate they accept payments through that method
- 14:44:00 [Ian]
- ...Next steps after workshop: (1) spec update (2) implementation of web monetization in browser (3) rafiki open source project
- 14:44:39 [Ian]
- ...we are looking to use Browser Scholar problem to foster web monetization on more browsers.
- 14:44:54 [Ian]
- ...I mentioned Grant for the Web to help fund sponsor projects related to web monetization
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- -> https://github.com/interledger/rafiki Rafiki project
- 14:45:41 [jonathan]
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- Uchi: Rafiki project shows power of ILP
- 14:46:15 [Ian]
- -> https://webmonetization.org/specification.html Web Monetization spec
- 14:46:43 [Ian]
- [Demos that were shown at the workshop]
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- [First demo shows two wallets interacting with page in parallel]
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- [MicroDonor]
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- q?
- 14:55:13 [Ian]
- AdrianHB: As a reminder, Web Monetization intends to be an open standard; suggest watching some showcases.
- 14:55:38 [Ian]
- ...use cases include low-friction payments, accessing premium payments, and other use cases that would be facilitated by having low-value payment support built into the browser
- 14:56:06 [Ian]
- ...if you are interested, see the Web Incubator CG
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- -> https://community.webmonetization.org/ Community discussion
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- AdrianHB: Web Monetization is close to some other use cases (e.g., digital goods)
- 14:57:49 [Ian]
- ...are there people here interested in these use cases, and should web Monetization come to this group when and if it's time to standardize?
- 14:57:55 [Ian]
- ..that's a question on our mind and we welcome input.
- 14:58:04 [Ian]
- Topic: Next meeting
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- 2 September
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- RRSAGENT, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-minutes.html Ian
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- RRSAGENT, set logs public
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- zakim, bye
- 15:02:38 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been Ian_Jacobs, David_Benoit, Bastien_Latge, Anne_Pouillard, Jean-Michel_Girard, Uchi_Uchibeke, Bastien, Stephen_McGruer,
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- rrsagent, bye
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- I see 4 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-actions.rdf :
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- ACTION: Susan to review the charte.r [1]
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- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-07-12
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- ACTION: David to review the charter [2]
- 15:02:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-08-15
- 15:02:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Stephen to reraise SPC with the TAG once the explainer has been updated (but independent of FWPD) [3]
- 15:02:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-19-31
- 15:02:38 [RRSAgent]
- ACTION: Ian to coordinate a discussion on tokenized payment format (and reach out to Anne, Gerhard, Clinton, Adrian) [4]
- 15:02:38 [RRSAgent]
- recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/08/19-wpwg-irc#T14-33-37
- 15:02:41 [Zakim]
- ... Susan_Pandy, Fawad_Nisar, Clinton_Allen, Gerhard_Oosthuizen, Lawrence_Cheng, Jonathan_Grossar, AdrianHB