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12:48:04 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:48:04 <trackbot> Date: 18 August 2021
12:48:09 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:48:12 <jasonjgw> present+
12:48:14 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021.
12:48:14 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization accessibility User Requirements.
12:48:14 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Updates, issues or questions concerning other publication efforts of the Task Force (Natural Language, Remote Meetings, XR).
12:48:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:48:25 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:48:25 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda:
12:48:26 <Zakim> 4. Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:48:26 <Zakim> 5. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
12:48:26 <Zakim> 6. Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021. [from jasonjgw]
12:48:26 <Zakim> 7. Synchronization accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:48:26 <Zakim> 8. Updates, issues or questions concerning other publication efforts of the Task Force (Natural Language, Remote Meetings, XR). [from jasonjgw]
12:48:28 <Zakim> 9. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
12:48:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, clear agenda
12:48:45 <Zakim> agenda cleared
12:48:50 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021.
12:48:50 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization accessibility User Requirements.
12:48:50 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Updates, issues or questions concerning other publication efforts of the Task Force (Natural Language, Remote Meetings, XR).
12:48:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Miscellaneous topics.
12:49:04 <jasonjgw> zakim, list agenda
12:49:04 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda:
12:49:06 <Zakim> 1. Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:06 <Zakim> 2. Synchronization accessibility User Requirements. [from jasonjgw]
12:49:06 <Zakim> 3. Updates, issues or questions concerning other publication efforts of the Task Force (Natural Language, Remote Meetings, XR). [from jasonjgw]
12:49:07 <Zakim> 4. Miscellaneous topics. [from jasonjgw]
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12:56:40 <janina> agenda?
12:56:44 <janina> present+
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13:00:29 <Joshue108> present+
13:00:54 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
13:06:04 <Joshue108> <Troubleshooting issues with captions>
13:06:24 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:06:24 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Joint working group meetings and break-out sessions planned for TPAC 2021. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:07:09 <Joshue108> JW: When we last discussed this APA was planning and co-ordinating
13:07:28 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Meetings/TPAC_2021
13:07:29 <Joshue108> We were to work those out - update from Janina.
13:07:40 <Joshue108> JS: This will be the ongoing meeting link
13:08:08 <Joshue108> It will be updated during TPAC, contain meeting info etc - please do bookmark.
13:08:18 <Joshue108> <Janina gives overview of doc>
13:08:49 <Joshue108> We will add Google calendar links etc
13:09:04 <Joshue108> There are proposed sessions in this doc.
13:09:44 <Joshue108> We've asked Timed-text group if they want a session on the Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements
13:10:09 <Joshue108> We hope to be at FPWD or beyond at TPAC
13:10:09 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/
13:10:42 <Judy> q+
13:10:42 <Joshue108> JS: We also have proposed longer meetings - one on the future of a11y APIs - there are some concerns over their potential end of life
13:11:00 <Judy> q+ to suggest a re-framing of the time context, and to update on AOM
13:11:09 <Joshue108> Discussions on how frameworks would handle this - or what next gen A11y APIs need to look like
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13:11:32 <Joshue108> There are also near term requirements out of our pronunciation task force that we need to bridge
13:11:41 <Joshue108> Relating to TTS specs etc
13:12:09 <Joshue108> We also have breakouts - an introduction to APA publications
13:12:35 <Joshue108> We may need more time to discuss various specs and our extensive user requirement documents
13:12:52 <Joshue108> Should that be two sessions? Need more time?
13:13:01 <Joshue108> COGA, will talk about content usable
13:13:14 <Joshue108> Remote meetings with Judy and Scott to present work
13:13:45 <Joshue108> Our main interest it scheduling so there is no clash
13:14:42 <Joshue108> Also we have mechanisms for live captioning etc that we need to plan
13:15:05 <Joshue108> A question is do we want to join with personalisation and pronunciation or is that too much?
13:15:13 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:15:13 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to suggest a re-framing of the time context, and to update on AOM
13:15:40 <Joshue108> JB: Regarding the future of APIs discussion..
13:15:52 <Joshue108> there are other discussions relating..
13:16:27 <Joshue108> There is an issue around how to frame the A11y API -we need to be careful about what we imply about the timing of that.
13:16:47 <Joshue108> They may need to transition in the next 5 years but we dont want to scare people out of using them
13:16:57 <Joshue108> Should be framed in the future tense.
13:17:20 <Joshue108> JB: There are discussion at W3C Management and team about the AOM
13:17:40 <Joshue108> These conversations should also happen in APA before TPAC
13:17:53 <Joshue108> JB: Sounds good
13:18:22 <Joshue108> JS: Fine to all the above - the issue of coming to end of life - is about exploring the future before we get there to avoid trouble.
13:18:40 <Joshue108> That meeting needs to have the right people there.
13:18:59 <Joshue108> We aim to invite some key people. Then if so we can chat, otherwise won't schedule.
13:19:20 <Joshue108> JS: I did raise this on a WAI co-ordination call.
13:19:32 <Joshue108> James Craig was positive about doing this
13:19:44 <Joshue108> At TPAC, as a good forum
13:20:16 <Joshue108> Cc'ing Joanie Diggs also - and Alice Boxhall , Aaron etc
13:20:36 <Joshue108> We can also learn from their input.
13:20:41 <Joshue108> q?
13:21:03 <Joshue108> JW: The closest connection is with the XR A11y work
13:21:08 <Joshue108> But there are others.
13:21:36 <Joshue108> If you are interested in how these all connect then that is a good conversation to be a part of.
13:22:17 <Joshue108> JW: Regarding diagrams and charts - that is one area that ARIA is interested in, as well as limitations in current approaches
13:22:37 <Joshue108> JS: If we can frame these an engineering problems, I'd be happy to list them
13:22:46 <Judy> q+
13:23:02 <Joshue108> JS: Near term challenges are important conversations
13:23:57 <Joshue108> JB:  I'm looking at this from the perspective of how others who are new to the group - so want to give some background
13:24:03 <Joshue108> <Judy gives background>
13:24:21 <Joshue108> <on TPAC and how it works>
13:25:40 <Joshue108> ack judy
13:25:46 <Joshue108> JW: Any questions?
13:26:16 <Joshue108> q?
13:26:32 <Joshue108> JS: Can I return to the time issue a la breakouts?
13:26:56 <Joshue108> Single session or presentation of individual sessions on each user requirements document.
13:27:22 <Joshue108> JW: First reaction, is if covering all of them - that session could be tricky.
13:27:36 <Joshue108> Brevity vs sufficiency
13:27:43 <Joshue108> In one hour
13:28:02 <Joshue108> Recent publications also will entail more exposition as well as questions.
13:28:13 <Joshue108> Seems crowded to me
13:28:20 <Joshue108> JS: Will we split it?
13:28:29 <Judy> s/Judy gives background/Judy describes Technical Plenary and Advisory Committee meeting as (currently) a two-week virtual opportunity for the W3C accessibility area to sync up with other W3C working groups, with a lot of pre-arranged joint meetings/
13:28:36 <Joshue108> JW: Yes, are they in hour long blocks
13:28:37 <Joshue108> q+
13:29:06 <Joshue108> JW: some prep and advance notice would be needed
13:29:35 <Joshue108> JW: Other points of view
13:29:37 <Joshue108> ack me
13:30:23 <jasonjgw> Josh: suggests organizing the sessions to group related documents together.
13:30:52 <Joshue108> JS: Wants to know what to do.
13:31:10 <Joshue108> JS: If slots are at a premium, you could tend towards one over two.
13:31:39 <Joshue108> If you could get two sessions set up - that may be better approach - time needed for questions etc
13:31:51 <Joshue108> JS: I'm looking at Jason and Josh as presenters.
13:32:19 <Joshue108> Thinking of the docs we have - and some new items for TPAC - such as the Natural Language A11y User Requirements.
13:32:24 <Joshue108> What do you want to do?
13:32:40 <Joshue108> Can they be combined? What should the wider W3C need to know.
13:32:58 <Joshue108> Add up the time - 25 mins max each?
13:33:44 <Joshue108> JW: 5 min summaries of each - Media Syn, Natural Language, XR, WebRTC etc
13:33:57 <Joshue108> Remote meetings - looking at 2-25 minutes.
13:34:22 <Joshue108> JOC: Are we looking at divided sessions?
13:35:57 <Joshue108> JS: We can look at this and I can be a good referee.
13:36:04 <Joshue108> JS: We can set up a page etc
13:36:14 <Joshue108> JW: Should we revisit this next week?
13:36:34 <Judy> Judy has joined #rqtf
13:36:43 <Joshue108> JS: Coming to a decision soon would be good
13:36:49 <Joshue108> JW: Next weeks agenda
13:37:12 <Joshue108> JS: There is a link also to the Silver / Accessibility Guidelines Working Group also
13:37:26 <Joshue108> Some of our user requirements doc are relevant here also
13:37:58 <Joshue108> JS: Looks to Judy for tech solution, CSS? To prevent flashing.
13:38:08 <Joshue108> JB: Gives overview on MIT research
13:38:50 <Joshue108> Flash mitigation in streaming video using micro second sandboxing techniques that scans luminosity variance.
13:39:17 <Joshue108> Can reduce seizure triggers - we need to work out how to deploy that
13:40:01 <Joshue108> JB: Lets follow up on that
13:40:13 <Joshue108> JS: Want to discuss how to deploy solutions
13:40:48 <Joshue108> In browsers or media platforms.
13:41:02 <Joshue108> JS: Questions license
13:41:08 <Joshue108> JB: Answers question
13:41:37 <Joshue108> JS: Will add an agendum to following week
13:41:46 <Joshue108> <chat on schedule>
13:42:31 <Joshue108> JW: Other questions?
13:42:38 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:42:38 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization accessibility User Requirements. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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13:43:12 <Joshue108> JW: This is the first of our new docs that we want to bring to first public working draft (FPWD)
13:43:14 <Joshue108> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/main/saur/
13:43:34 <Joshue108> JW: It is pretty stable.
13:43:56 <Joshue108> What more do we want to do before we publish?
13:44:08 <Raja> q+
13:44:08 <Joshue108> JS: I want to take an editors pass.
13:44:52 <Joshue108> JS: If we want to publish early Sept, the first week may be bad - but we may have participation problems, hols and labour day etc.
13:45:02 <Joshue108> ack Raja
13:45:27 <Joshue108> RK: Please clarify - for the information access, the synchronization was a little bit unclear
13:45:41 <Joshue108> THere is a subtle difference between the two.
13:45:50 <Joshue108> The use cases vs information
13:46:04 <Joshue108> JS: Something in the doc could be better presented?
13:46:22 <Joshue108> RK: Is it tor both info like video or conferences?
13:46:29 <Joshue108> s/tor/for
13:46:49 <Joshue108> JS: One reason to take an editor pass, is to be sure we have made things clear.
13:47:00 <Joshue108> What real world expectations should be etc.
13:47:15 <Joshue108> Maybe our RTC doc needs to contain more of this?
13:47:54 <Joshue108> JS: It starts with people needing speech and audio latency falling within certain tolerances
13:48:06 <Joshue108> Regular people lip read without knowing it.
13:48:52 <Joshue108> We need to be clear about distinctions - so movies and live things are covered properly.
13:49:17 <Joshue108> JW: The doc does discuss tolerances in different media
13:49:42 <Joshue108> Mostly similar, but what can be realistically be done in various contexts is different.
13:50:17 <Joshue108> What is reasonable and appropriate may differ
13:50:38 <Joshue108> JW: Sounds tight, so what is your availability for editors pass?
13:51:01 <Joshue108> JB: Michael back next week.
13:51:07 <Joshue108> q+
13:51:22 <Joshue108> JS: We can give ourselves a week to review?
13:51:36 <Joshue108> We can say we will publish and that triggers an APA CFC
13:51:50 <Joshue108> maybe into the second full week of September.
13:52:06 <Joshue108> We could publish around the 14th and 16th of Sept
13:52:23 <Joshue108> we could keep the comment period open through TPAC
13:52:29 <Joshue108> how does that sound?
13:53:06 <Joshue108> JW: We been discussing live and pre-recorded media - and if there are issues that can be fixed or resolved in a second working draft.
13:53:31 <Joshue108> JS: An editors note may be sufficient.
13:53:58 <Joshue108> We are presenting available research etc - vs other guidance that is experiential
13:54:30 <Joshue108> JS: Asking for comments is not a bad thing to ask.
13:54:39 <Raja> I agree
13:54:53 <Joshue108> JW: Summary and guidance - also good. Editors note I can add.
13:55:14 <Joshue108> JS: Any reply from the Madeline?
13:55:18 <Joshue108> JW: Yes
13:55:29 <Joshue108> They are interested.
13:55:50 <Joshue108> And window to review.
13:55:53 <Joshue108> ack me
13:56:17 <jasonjgw> Josh: offers to help with the editorial review as well as the publication preparation.
13:57:16 <Joshue108> JS: We will be looking for others to review
13:57:26 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:57:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Updates, issues or questions concerning other publication efforts of the Task Force (Natural Language, Remote Meetings, XR). -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:57:40 <Joshue108> JS: Regarding our other publication efforts
13:57:59 <Joshue108> There has work been going on with Natural Language Accessibility from Josh
13:58:19 <Joshue108> A11y of remote meetings - I've raised an issue on Github, clarity needed
13:58:28 <Joshue108> Thats it mostly
13:59:29 <jasonjgw> Josh: XR Accessibility User Requirements is in a publication-ready state; Michael will address the publication process upon his return.
13:59:58 <Joshue108> trackbot, end meeting
13:59:58 <trackbot> Zakim, list attendees
13:59:58 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, scott_h, Joshue, janina, SteveNoble, Judy
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