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14:06:45 <Steven> Meeting: ixml working group
14:06:56 <Steven> Date: 17 Aug 2021
14:06:59 <Steven> Chair: Steven
14:07:19 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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14:07:45 <Steven> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0004
14:08:19 <Steven> Present: Michael SMQ, Michael Gryk, Tomos, Steven
14:09:03 <Steven> Regrets: John Lumley
14:10:14 <Steven> MIA: Aleksei
14:12:07 <Steven> ACTION: Michael SMq to control the agenda sending
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14:13:27 <Steven> Topic: Past actions:
14:13:36 <Steven> Steven to research where to put S for attributes.
14:13:38 <Steven> Continues
14:13:49 <Steven> Tom to raise ticket re: space definitions in Ixml grammar
14:13:51 <Steven> Done
14:14:29 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to upload new version of spec
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14:14:53 <Steven> group validate new conformance changes at URL above
14:14:57 <Steven> [Done]
14:15:10 <Steven> Steven to implement Michael's suggestion
14:15:13 <Steven> [Done]
14:15:27 <Steven> Michael Transcribe list of cases not covered by dogfood test, and add to
14:15:27 <Steven> github
14:15:46 <Steven> [Done]
14:16:04 <Steven> Michael: I have added a directory to github
14:16:42 <Steven> ... still to complete
14:17:00 <Steven> ... I will generate a stylesheet to list tests
14:17:36 <Steven> Tom automate Michael's test suite publishing
14:17:41 <Steven> [Continues]
14:17:56 <Steven> Tom: I will work out with Micael after this call
14:18:05 <Steven> s/Mica/Micha/
14:18:18 <Steven> Steven add '+' to grammar
14:18:56 <Steven> Steven: I think this is a future version
14:19:14 <Steven> Tomos: I can live with that
14:19:26 <Steven> MSM: I can live with either
14:19:53 <Steven> ... 1.0 is feature freeze and bug fix, 1.1 is new features
14:20:59 <Steven> Topic: Informative references to parsing algorithms
14:20:59 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0009
14:22:30 <Steven> MSM: Include all of them, specific, and Grune.
14:23:14 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to add references tp [arsing algorithms to spec
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14:24:13 <Steven> Topic: test case conditions
14:24:13 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0001
14:24:23 <Steven> Steven: Covered in action items list
14:25:03 <Steven> Topic: Rewriting an ixml grammar as conventional BNF
14:25:03 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0000
14:26:04 <Steven> MSM: I feel sheepish because I worked out how to extend Early to extended BNF, I want to return pasre forest grammars.
14:26:30 <Tom> s/pasre/parse
14:27:47 <Steven> https://invisiblexml.org/ixml-specification.html#hints
14:28:21 <Steven> Steven: The spec does mention this, see above.
14:28:28 <Steven> MSM: Ah, OK.
14:28:33 <cmsmcq> topic can be closed, then
14:29:30 <Steven> Topic: State of implementations
14:29:50 <Steven> Steven: I have the first steps to translating to C, still lots of work to do.
14:30:29 <Steven> ... and I need this for November, so I am committed.
14:30:41 <Steven> Tom: "continues"
14:31:26 <Steven> ... new job getting in the way.
14:32:14 <Steven> MSM: I've submitted a paper to Declarative Amsterdam. SO I need a new working version by November as well.
14:32:56 <Steven> ... I have a working version of my parser, it uses older version of ixml sysntax.
14:33:04 <Steven> s/sysn/syn/
14:33:14 <Steven> ... I'm writing it as a literate program.
14:33:21 <Steven> ... maybe in XSLT
14:34:10 <Steven> ... depends on the tooling.
14:35:04 <Steven> Tom: I'm interested in your approach.
14:35:21 <Steven> MSM: The tooling is a bit old.
14:36:02 <Steven> Michael Gryk: I hope to be able to add use cases
14:38:25 <Steven> Topic: Bug reports
14:38:39 <Steven> Tom: https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/2 (S between rules) is done
14:39:14 <Steven> https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/2 (S between rules)
14:39:21 <Steven> Steven: Topic is closed.
14:39:35 <Steven> Topic: review of conformance section and conformance language
14:39:35 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0006
14:39:41 <Steven> Steven: Topic is closed
14:40:37 <Steven> Topic: interoperability and extensibility
14:40:37 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0012
14:40:44 <Steven> Steven: Topic is closed
14:41:28 <Steven> Topic: Requirements
14:41:28 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0047
14:41:51 <Steven> ACTION: Steven to create list of existing requirements, so that we can identify when a new one comes
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14:43:23 <Steven> Topic: pragmas - a proposal
14:43:23 <Steven>      https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003
14:43:37 <Steven> MSM: Is a new feature. So therefore 1.1
14:43:44 <Steven> Tom: Hmmm.
14:45:11 <Steven> Steven: The risk is if you don't freeze, you never get to a release.
14:49:45 <Steven> MSM: It's good to have a way of allowing extensions in an interoperable way
14:53:25 <Steven> Tom: I want DTD entity resolution, and you could use pragmas for that.
14:56:45 <Steven> Tom: I want a mechanism to override the ne following rule.
14:56:54 <Steven> Steven: Implementations can do that anyway.
14:57:04 <Steven> ... we don't have to standardise that
14:58:29 <Steven> ACTION: Tom and MSM to come with a pragma proposal
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15:00:38 <Steven> Topic: Next meeting
15:02:58 <Steven> September meeting will be Tuesday 14th September. at 15 UTC
15:03:01 <Steven> NOTE TIME!
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15:04:51 <Steven> s/tp [arsing/to parsing/
15:05:49 <Steven> s/SO/So/
15:06:33 <Steven> s/SO/So/
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15:07:14 <Steven> Present: MSM, Tom, Steven, Michael Gryk
15:07:16 <Steven> rrsagent, make minutes
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