IRC log of ixml on 2021-08-17

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Meeting: ixml working group
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Date: 17 Aug 2021
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Chair: Steven
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Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0004
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Present: Michael SMQ, Michael Gryk, Tomos, Steven
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Regrets: John Lumley
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MIA: Aleksei
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ACTION: Michael SMq to control the agenda sending
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Topic: Past actions:
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Steven to research where to put S for attributes.
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Continues
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Tom to raise ticket re: space definitions in Ixml grammar
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Done
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ACTION: Steven to upload new version of spec
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group validate new conformance changes at URL above
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[Done]
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Steven to implement Michael's suggestion
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[Done]
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Michael Transcribe list of cases not covered by dogfood test, and add to
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github
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[Done]
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Michael: I have added a directory to github
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... still to complete
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... I will generate a stylesheet to list tests
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Tom automate Michael's test suite publishing
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[Continues]
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Tom: I will work out with Micael after this call
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s/Mica/Micha/
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Steven add '+' to grammar
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Steven: I think this is a future version
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Tomos: I can live with that
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MSM: I can live with either
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... 1.0 is feature freeze and bug fix, 1.1 is new features
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Topic: Informative references to parsing algorithms
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jul/0009
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MSM: Include all of them, specific, and Grune.
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ACTION: Steven to add references tp [arsing algorithms to spec
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Topic: test case conditions
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0001
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Steven: Covered in action items list
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Topic: Rewriting an ixml grammar as conventional BNF
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Aug/0000
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MSM: I feel sheepish because I worked out how to extend Early to extended BNF, I want to return pasre forest grammars.
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s/pasre/parse
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https://invisiblexml.org/ixml-specification.html#hints
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Steven: The spec does mention this, see above.
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MSM: Ah, OK.
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topic can be closed, then
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Topic: State of implementations
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Steven: I have the first steps to translating to C, still lots of work to do.
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... and I need this for November, so I am committed.
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Tom: "continues"
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... new job getting in the way.
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MSM: I've submitted a paper to Declarative Amsterdam. SO I need a new working version by November as well.
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... I have a working version of my parser, it uses older version of ixml sysntax.
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s/sysn/syn/
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... I'm writing it as a literate program.
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... maybe in XSLT
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... depends on the tooling.
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Tom: I'm interested in your approach.
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MSM: The tooling is a bit old.
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Michael Gryk: I hope to be able to add use cases
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Topic: Bug reports
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Tom: https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/2 (S between rules) is done
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https://github.com/invisibleXML/ixml/issues/2 (S between rules)
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Steven: Topic is closed.
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Topic: review of conformance section and conformance language
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0006
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Steven: Topic is closed
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Topic: interoperability and extensibility
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0012
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Steven: Topic is closed
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Topic: Requirements
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Apr/0047
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ACTION: Steven to create list of existing requirements, so that we can identify when a new one comes
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Topic: pragmas - a proposal
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https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-ixml/2021Jun/0003
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MSM: Is a new feature. So therefore 1.1
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Tom: Hmmm.
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Steven: The risk is if you don't freeze, you never get to a release.
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MSM: It's good to have a way of allowing extensions in an interoperable way
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Tom: I want DTD entity resolution, and you could use pragmas for that.
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Tom: I want a mechanism to override the ne following rule.
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Steven: Implementations can do that anyway.
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... we don't have to standardise that
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ACTION: Tom and MSM to come with a pragma proposal
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Topic: Next meeting
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September meeting will be Tuesday 14th September. at 15 UTC
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NOTE TIME!
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s/tp [arsing/to parsing/
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s/SO/So/
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s/SO/So/
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Present: MSM, Tom, Steven, Michael Gryk
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