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15:41:15 <sajkaj> Meeting: Silver Conformance Options Subgroup
15:41:22 <sajkaj> Date: 29 Jul 2021
15:41:27 <sajkaj> Chair: sajkaj
15:42:08 <sajkaj> Agenda+ Agenda Review & Administrative Items
15:42:08 <sajkaj> agenda+ User Generated https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/User_Generated_Content
15:42:11 <sajkaj> agenda+ Other Business
15:42:13 <sajkaj> agenda+ Be Done
15:47:15 <sajkaj> 
15:47:17 <sajkaj> agenda?
15:51:02 <sajkaj> present+
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15:51:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-silver-conf-minutes.html sajkaj
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15:55:50 <Azlan> present+
15:58:19 <sajkaj> Regrets: Todd_Libby, Bruce_Bailey
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16:02:53 <PeterKorn> present+
16:05:14 <Azlan> scribe: Azlan
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16:05:25 <JF> Present+
16:05:32 <Azlan> zakim, take up item 1
16:05:32 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:06:13 <Azlan> sajkaj: We have 3 pull requests.
16:06:30 <Azlan> zakim, next item
16:06:30 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Azlan
16:06:38 <sajkaj> zakim, close this item
16:06:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:06:39 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:39 <Zakim> 2. User Generated https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/User_Generated_Content [from sajkaj]
16:06:41 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
16:06:41 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- User Generated https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/User_Generated_Content -- taken up [from sajkaj]
16:07:41 <Azlan> sajkaj: The editors' note has been rewritten but we don't know where it is to go. We want comments on it for the next working draft.
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16:09:16 <Azlan> sajkaj: Moved glossary to the top for convenience. URI is the pull request. There will be annotation notes. Any addition to the glossary?
16:09:30 <sajkaj> q?
16:09:51 <Azlan> jeanne: Note - not a github pull request
16:10:27 <PeterKorn> q+
16:10:55 <Azlan> sajkaj: Conformance section: pointer to the URI as before. Added one sentence and edited with Jeanne, otherwise the section is as it was.
16:11:24 <sajkaj> qack pet
16:12:01 <JF> ack p
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16:13:06 <PeterKorn> https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/silver/wiki/User_Generated_Content
16:14:49 <jeanne> present+
16:15:33 <Azlan> sajkaj: Outcomes and methods - "this is the section for..." has our third URI
16:17:15 <Azlan> sajkaj: I dropped the use cases. Don't think they add value for this round. Easy to put back if required.
16:17:39 <sajkaj> q?
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16:20:11 <JF> Q+
16:21:12 <sajkaj> q?
16:25:13 <Azlan> ack JF
16:25:57 <PeterKorn> +1 to include comments to blog posts
16:26:05 <jeanne> +1 - fixing
16:26:18 <PeterKorn> 1 to media as well
16:26:21 <PeterKorn> +1 I mean
16:26:48 <Azlan> JF: I have minor concerns there is a difference between a blog posting and comments to a blog posting. Captioning for media
16:27:20 <Azlan> sajkaj: there will be another proposal for multimedia
16:27:20 <PeterKorn> q+
16:28:04 <Azlan> jeanne: JF has an important point uploaded personal video requires captions. Professionally produced media will be a different example
16:28:48 <PeterKorn> "uploaded videos, or other media"
16:29:02 <PeterKorn> and "blog postings, and blog comments"
16:29:17 <sajkaj> q?
16:29:57 <sajkaj> q+
16:30:43 <Azlan> jeanne: would prefer not to have blog postings as they are often an employee writing on behalf of the site owner.
16:31:37 <Azlan> PeterKorn: thinking of user generated that is more than just a comment
16:31:57 <JF> I am also concerned with the term "blog" as already being somewhat dated
16:31:58 <jeanne> blog post comments and social media posts
16:32:18 <PeterKorn> "social media posts, and comments on same"
16:32:36 <Azlan> PeterKorn: maybe the problem is blog. References social media posts.
16:32:57 <jeanne> social media posts and comments
16:32:59 <Azlan> PeterKorn: Suggests social media posts and related comments
16:33:37 <Azlan> sajkaj: remember these are examples
16:34:50 <PeterKorn> Examples of User Generated Content include:      social media postings and comments,     uploaded photographs, or     uploaded videos or other multimedia.
16:34:58 <JF> +1
16:35:02 <Azlan> +1
16:35:47 <Azlan> sajkaj: might want to note all we address in this proposal is alternative text in terms of outcomes and methods. Media will be another proposal.
16:41:21 <sajkaj> q?
16:41:28 <sajkaj> ack pet
16:41:43 <Azlan> PeterKorn: Should we note this is not a complete list but a list of things that would improve your score?
16:43:13 <PeterKorn> The conformance score for the publisher of the user generated content will recognize the publishing doing increasing amounts of the following things:
16:45:33 <jeanne> The scoring system is being worked on, but we envision that the conformance score for the publisher of the user generated content will recognize the publishing doing increasing amounts of the previous list. </p>
16:47:11 <jeanne> To support users in creating accessible content, the publisher of the user generated content:
16:47:46 <PeterKorn> •	If the repair attempt occurs during an authoring session, PROVIDES users have the opportunity to accept, modify, or reject the repair attempt prior to insertion of the text alternative into the content.
16:48:17 <sajkaj> q-
16:48:32 <sajkaj> TOPIC: WBS Questions
16:50:05 <Azlan> PeterKorn: we didn't have enough background
16:50:33 <Azlan> jeanne: should we have a block of text?
16:51:30 <Azlan> sajkaj: these questions insteda of draft proposal
16:53:04 <PeterKorn> "On <date>, AGWG reviewed our draft proposal to address conformance for 3rd party content, and directed us to return to AGWG with a new proposal focused specifically on conformance for User Generated Content.  We have done that, and this survey asks AGWG to
16:53:21 <PeterKorn> "review the <three?> key parts of that proposal, which are contained in pull requests: the definition of User Generated Content which is to go into the Glossary of WCAG 3, <blah>, and <blah>."
16:59:39 <jeanne> <p>This draft proposal is intended for upcoming WCAG 3 Working Draft publication. Various portions of this document are intended to go in different locations of WCAG 3 documents, including the Conformance Section, the Glossary, and a new outcome on alternative text. Those intended locations are called out in each section of the survey.</p>
16:59:39 <jeanne> <p>On <a href="https://www.w3.org/2021/07/13-ag-minutes.html#item02">13 July</a>, AGWG reviewed our draft proposal to address conformance for 3rd party content, and directed us to return to AGWG with a new proposal focused specifically on conformance for User Generated Content.  This survey asks AGWG to review the <three> key parts of that proposal, which are contained in three places:
16:59:39 <jeanne> the definition of User Generated Content in the Glossary of WCAG 3, a new subscection of the Conformance section of WCAG 3, and an example of a new outcome, Text alternatives for user generated content. </p>
17:00:35 <Azlan> zakim, bye
17:00:35 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been sajkaj, Azlan, PeterKorn, JF, jeanne
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17:00:52 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-silver-conf-minutes.html Azlan
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17:06:38 <sajkaj> https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#user-generated-content
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17:23:02 <jeanne> 2) New example of an outcome: Text alternative for user generated content
17:23:02 <jeanne> <p>This is an example of a way that an outcome can be used for additional requirements for User Generated Content.  Since the Outcome template is being revised, the organization of the outcome will change as we update the template for Outcomes.  This example is taken from Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) 2.0. The Text Alternatives subgroup continues to develop outcomes,
17:23:02 <jeanne> methods and how-to material for Text Alternatives. </p>
17:23:02 <jeanne> <p>Link to new <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#user-generated-content">User Generated Content section in Conformance</a></p>
17:23:33 <jeanne> 3) User Generated Content (a new subsection of conformance)
17:23:33 <jeanne> <p>Link to new <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#user-generated-content">User Generated Content section in Conformance</a></p>
17:23:33 <jeanne> <p>Can we move the <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#user-generated-content"> User Generated Content section</a> to CFC for addition to the next update of WCAG 3? </p>
17:25:01 <sajkaj> https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/outcomes/text-alternative-available-UCG.html
17:26:38 <jeanne> New #2 :
17:26:40 <jeanne> 2) New example of an outcome: Text alternative for user generated content
17:26:40 <jeanne> <p>Link to new <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#user-generated-content">User Generated Content section in Conformance</a></p>
17:26:40 <jeanne> <p>This is an example of a way that an outcome can be used for additional requirements for User Generated Content.  Since the Outcome template is being revised, the organization of the outcome will change as we update the template for Outcomes.  This example is taken from Authoring Tool Accessibility Guidelines (ATAG) 2.0. The Text Alternatives subgroup continues to develop outcomes,
17:26:41 <jeanne> methods and how-to material for Text Alternatives. </p>
17:26:41 <jeanne> <p>Can we move the <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/outcomes/text-alternative-available-UCG.html"> example of a text alternative outcome for user generated content</a> to CFC for addition to the next update of WCAG 3? </p>
17:29:42 <sajkaj> https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#dfn-user-generated-content
17:36:47 <jeanne> 4) Glossary Definition of User Generated Content
17:36:47 <jeanne> <p>Link to new <a href=" https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#dfn-user-generated-content">User Generated Content section in Conformance</a></p>
17:36:47 <jeanne> <p>Can we move the <a href="https://rawgit.com/w3c/silver/User_Generated/guidelines/index.html#dfn-user-generated-content"> User Generated Content section</a> to CFC for addition to the next update of WCAG 3? </p>
17:36:47 <jeanne>     Agree
17:36:49 <jeanne>     Agree with the following changes
17:36:49 <jeanne>     Disagree for the following reason