IRC log of i18n on 2021-07-29
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-irc
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- trackbot, prepare teleconference
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- Meeting: Internationalization Working Group Teleconference
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- Date: 29 July 2021
- 13:24:49 [addison]
- agendabot, find agenda
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- addison, OK. This may take a minute...
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- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0032.html
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- clear agenda
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- agenda+ Agenda Review
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- agenda+ Action Items
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- agenda+ Info Share
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- agenda+ RADAR Review
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- agenda+ Localizable Manifests FPWD?
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- Chair: Addison Phillips
- 13:25:00 [agendabot]
- agenda+ "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews
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- agenda+ AOB?
- 13:25:31 [addison]
- agenda+ Updates to HTML/CSS techniques and an article
- 13:25:38 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- present+
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- present+ Fuqiao
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- present+ Richard, Atsushi
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- present+ Bert
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- present+ Felix
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- zakim, take up agendum 1
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- agendum 1 -- Agenda Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:04:09 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:04:45 [addison]
- agenda+ geolocation
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- zakim, take up agendum 2
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- agendum 2 -- Action Items -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:05:10 [addison]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/open
- 14:05:25 [atsushi]
- addison: jump into action items, couple of documentation items
- 14:05:25 [JcK]
- present+ JcK
- 14:05:58 [addison]
- action-1031?
- 14:05:58 [trackbot]
- action-1031 -- Addison Phillips to Document the state of payment-request -- due 2021-06-03 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1031
- 14:06:05 [addison]
- close action-1031
- 14:06:05 [trackbot]
- Closed action-1031.
- 14:06:11 [atsushi]
- addison: 1031 done while ago
- 14:07:02 [atsushi]
- ... 1048 create to WebAuthn, get another email from Wendy, and will have a call next week
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- action-1049?
- 14:07:09 [trackbot]
- action-1049 -- Addison Phillips to Close open completed reviews -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
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- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1049
- 14:07:13 [addison]
- close action-1049
- 14:07:13 [trackbot]
- Closed action-1049.
- 14:07:15 [atsushi]
- ... 1049 I did
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- action-1050?
- 14:07:54 [trackbot]
- action-1050 -- Addison Phillips to Merge string-meta changes pending richard's review of the glossary changes -- due 2021-07-22 -- OPEN
- 14:07:54 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1050
- 14:08:09 [addison]
- agenda+ paragraph direction in glossary
- 14:08:12 [atsushi]
- r12a: 1050 want to raise review from group on proposed change
- 14:08:24 [atsushi]
- addison: added as agenda
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- action-1052?
- 14:08:34 [trackbot]
- action-1052 -- Richard Ishida to Investigate glossary linking solutions, e.g. marcos's -- due 2021-07-29 -- OPEN
- 14:08:34 [trackbot]
- https://www.w3.org/International/track/actions/1052
- 14:08:46 [atsushi]
- r12a: 1052 investigation on going
- 14:09:09 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 3
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- agendum 3 -- Info Share -- taken up [from agendabot]
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- zakim, take up agendum 4
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- agendum 4 -- RADAR Review -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:09:59 [addison]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-request/projects/1
- 14:10:07 [atsushi]
- addison: no new incoming
- 14:10:30 [atsushi]
- ... xfq done DOM, is there anything review there
- 14:10:54 [atsushi]
- xfq: I've took a look, and found any issue about the changes to the last review draft
- 14:11:01 [atsushi]
- ... remaining two open issues
- 14:11:18 [xfq__]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues?q=is%3Aopen+is%3Aissue+label%3As%3Adom
- 14:11:24 [atsushi]
- ... seems not a blocker for release
- 14:12:06 [atsushi]
- addison: move to completed (no objection from attendee)
- 14:12:33 [atsushi]
- ... will take an action to notify the WG
- 14:12:46 [addison]
- action: addison: notify that DOM review completed with no new issues (outstanding issues remain open for future work)
- 14:12:47 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1054 - Notify that dom review completed with no new issues (outstanding issues remain open for future work) [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-05].
- 14:12:59 [addison]
- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 5
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- agendum 5 -- Localizable Manifests FPWD? -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:13:43 [atsushi]
- addison: we have a repo, in a position to add references
- 14:13:57 [atsushi]
- ... a bit work to be done before publication on documents
- 14:14:29 [atsushi]
- ... do we put this into /TR/ now?
- 14:14:47 [addison]
- move to publish localizable-manifest as FPWD
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- +1
- 14:14:57 [fsasaki]
- +1
- 14:14:58 [atsushi]
- +1
- 14:15:00 [xfq__]
- +1
- 14:15:01 [r12a]
- 0
- 14:15:01 [Bert]
- +1
- 14:15:13 [JcK]
- 0 -- I have no competence to have an opinion about this
- 14:15:52 [atsushi]
- r12a: haven't looked much, so 0
- 14:16:08 [atsushi]
- addison: it's just a FPWD
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- https://w3c.github.io/localizable-manifests/
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- RESOLVED: publish localizable-manifests as a first public working draft
- 14:16:25 [atsushi]
- r12a: that's why not -1 but 0
- 14:16:50 [atsushi]
- addison: who to take an action?
- 14:17:04 [atsushi]
- ... I will
- 14:17:20 [addison]
- action: addison: publish localizable-manifests as FPWD with help from richard
- 14:17:20 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1055 - Publish localizable-manifests as fpwd with help from richard [on Addison Phillips - due 2021-08-05].
- 14:17:27 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:17:48 [xfq__]
- https://github.com/w3c/localizable-manifests/issues/5
- 14:18:07 [atsushi]
- xfq: this is a well used approach
- 14:18:27 [atsushi]
- addison: there are several approaches on this,
- 14:18:48 [atsushi]
- ... some recommendations could be here, but not as must
- 14:19:49 [atsushi]
- ... PR and/or suggestions are welcome
- 14:20:06 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 10
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- agendum 10 -- paragraph direction in glossary -- taken up [from addison]
- 14:20:23 [atsushi]
- addison: let's jump into this quickly
- 14:20:47 [xfq__]
- s/this is a well used approach/Several common approaches are currently listed in the document. Should we recommend one of them?/
- 14:20:57 [addison]
- https://aphillips.github.io/string-meta/#dfn-paragraph-direction
- 14:21:28 [atsushi]
- addison: after discussion, we've learned on dir for paragraph or block of text
- 14:21:40 [r12a]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-glossary/pull/5/files
- 14:21:57 [atsushi]
- ... PR raised to move some text into glossary, for proposed definition
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- agenda?
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- zakim, take up agendum 9
- 14:22:51 [Zakim]
- agendum 9 -- geolocation -- taken up [from addison]
- 14:23:06 [r12a]
- ACTION: richard to publish the paragraph direction definition
- 14:23:06 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1056 - Publish the paragraph direction definition [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-05].
- 14:23:13 [xfq__]
- https://github.com/w3c/i18n-activity/issues/941
- 14:23:17 [atsushi]
- xfq: we have one open tracker issue, on error message
- 14:23:23 [xfq__]
- https://github.com/w3c/geolocation-api/issues/50
- 14:23:40 [atsushi]
- ... Marcos has closed WG issue, and also filed into WebIDL issue
- 14:23:57 [atsushi]
- ... I'd want to ask whether it is ok to close tracker issue on geolocation, as CR-blocker
- 14:24:12 [atsushi]
- addison: what's the current text?
- 14:24:14 [xfq__]
- https://w3c.github.io/geolocation-api/#position_error_interface
- 14:24:45 [atsushi]
- xfq: this subsection, added note as don't show this message to user interface etc.
- 14:25:18 [r12a]
- seems ok to me
- 14:25:34 [r12a]
- basically, this is debugging comments
- 14:25:37 [atsushi]
- +1
- 14:25:39 [addison]
- https://w3c.github.io/geolocation-api/#message-attribute
- 14:26:05 [atsushi]
- addison: don't think any additional is needed
- 14:26:22 [atsushi]
- ... also WebIDL might be fixed near future
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- agenda?
- 14:27:18 [r12a]
- Resolution: close the issue
- 14:27:19 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 8
- 14:27:19 [Zakim]
- agendum 8 -- Updates to HTML/CSS techniques and an article -- taken up [from addison]
- 14:27:42 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/authoring-html
- 14:28:05 [atsushi]
- r12a: changed styling last week, introduction on selecter
- 14:28:20 [atsushi]
- s/introduction on/introduced /
- 14:28:52 [r12a]
- https://www.w3.org/International/techniques/authoring-html#liststyle
- 14:29:12 [atsushi]
- r12a: this link points to styling counter part
- 14:29:32 [atsushi]
- ... link to article in MDN, and they link back to our counter-style collection
- 14:29:59 [r12a]
- https://w3c.github.io/i18n-drafts/techniques/authoring-html.en#liststyle
- 14:30:49 [atsushi]
- r12a: links to MDN can introduce readers on how-to documents, and no need to be included into here
- 14:31:49 [atsushi]
- addison: looks good to me
- 14:32:34 [atsushi]
- felix: listing do-s, but not don't-s?
- 14:33:03 [atsushi]
- r12a: by default no don't-s, but if there is any preference...
- 14:33:39 [atsushi]
- jck: consistency is more important
- 14:34:44 [r12a]
- https://github.com/mdn/content/issues/7295
- 14:34:55 [atsushi]
- r12a: sounds like no strong push back, go as is
- 14:35:06 [r12a]
- https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/CSS/text-align
- 14:35:17 [atsushi]
- r12a: another point is text-align start/end value
- 14:35:43 [atsushi]
- ... how these work on left alignment and right alignment et.c
- 14:36:43 [atsushi]
- bert: majority of people use no more than two language, and use left/right in existing ones
- 14:37:25 [atsushi]
- r12a: most of people who don't use start/end, on porting into another language they will get issues
- 14:37:47 [atsushi]
- ... also I have never feel difficult to understand other logical properties
- 14:38:25 [atsushi]
- ... like for vertical writing, logical could work automatically
- 14:39:03 [atsushi]
- ... could happen something like translated contents
- 14:40:03 [atsushi]
- bert: two issues, want to tell left as left, I don't feel most of people need to use these
- 14:41:38 [atsushi]
- r12a: considering translator, using left and right have context and it could lead difficulty to handle text
- 14:42:08 [atsushi]
- jck: that should be a mixed problem
- 14:43:16 [atsushi]
- r12a: you also need to think about page layout, in arabic book or vertical book
- 14:44:16 [atsushi]
- addison: for Bert's point, if you are preparing a page for specific language, using left/right could be an issue on usability
- 14:44:50 [atsushi]
- ... for my task, using in another language, left vs start could have some harm
- 14:45:30 [atsushi]
- ... in general, super agreement on logical keyword should be used
- 14:46:26 [atsushi]
- ... another hand, most developer's reaction could be using left is easily understandable
- 14:46:47 [atsushi]
- r12a: we are about to offer advice, if they don't want follow it should be fine
- 14:47:44 [atsushi]
- ... personally I feel writing an advice is helpful
- 14:49:03 [atsushi]
- r12a: CSS writing techniques document is different from spec
- 14:49:34 [r12a]
- ACTION: Richard to add more information about using left/right as well as start/end
- 14:49:34 [atsushi]
- addison: first, any action item we need to take on this topic?
- 14:49:34 [trackbot]
- Created ACTION-1057 - Add more information about using left/right as well as start/end [on Richard Ishida - due 2021-08-05].
- 14:50:32 [addison]
- agenda?
- 14:50:55 [addison]
- zakim, take up agendum 6
- 14:50:55 [Zakim]
- agendum 6 -- "Awaiting Comment Resolution" reviews -- taken up [from agendabot]
- 14:51:31 [atsushi]
- addison: number of items here, I've proposed to close
- 14:51:41 [addison]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Member/member-i18n-core/2021Jul/0032.html
- 14:51:43 [atsushi]
- ... in the list in agenda email
- 14:52:12 [atsushi]
- addison: more time to review these?
- 14:53:15 [atsushi]
- ... next week to start with these by working through?
- 14:53:22 [atsushi]
- r12a: +1
- 14:53:39 [addison]
- Topic: AOB?
- 14:54:27 [RRSAgent]
- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-minutes.html addison
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- zakim, who is here?
- 14:54:34 [Zakim]
- Present: addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, Felix, JcK
- 14:54:36 [Zakim]
- On IRC I see fsasaki, xfq__, JcK, Zakim, RRSAgent, addison, r12a, atsushi, agendabot, trackbot, koji, sangwhan, astearns, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, Mek, florian, cwilso, hsivonen,
- 14:54:36 [Zakim]
- ... Bert
- 14:54:41 [addison]
- zakim, bye
- 14:54:41 [Zakim]
- leaving. As of this point the attendees have been addison, Fuqiao, Richard, Atsushi, Bert, Felix, JcK
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- rrsagent, draft minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/29-i18n-minutes.html r12a