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14:01:45 <wseltzer> there are people on a zoom
14:01:48 <tink> agenda+ TPAC Inclusion Fund update
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14:02:19 <tink> agenda?
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14:03:05 <tink> zakim, agenda+ TPAC Inclusion Fund update
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14:03:06 <wseltzer> zakim, prepare meeting
14:03:07 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
14:03:07 <Zakim> Meeting: Positive Work Environment CG
14:03:39 <tink> zakim, agenda+ W3C Participants survey update
14:03:39 <Zakim> agendum 2 added
14:03:50 <tink> zakim, agenda+ PR reviews
14:03:51 <Zakim> agendum 3 added
14:04:39 <tink> present+ Léonie (tink)
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14:05:04 <chaals> zakimm, agenda?
14:05:15 <chaals> Topic: TPAC inclusion fund
14:05:18 <Jemma> present+
14:05:32 <chaals> Meeting: PWE 27/8 July
14:05:34 <tobie> I just wanted to let you know what I wasn't feeling well and unfortunately don't have an update on the survey yet.
14:06:00 <chaals> Liz: We have a plan for dealing with the applications, but we have no access to them yet - and we would like to start assessing them - we're ready to go.
14:06:11 <chaals> … please spread the message to get applications
14:06:20 <chaals> Léonie: Any applications so far?
14:06:35 <chaals> Wendy: 5 responses (1 looks empty so 4 for real)
14:06:44 <chaals> Léonie: When is the deadline?
14:07:37 <chaals> Liz: think we extended from 15 August. We have 2 weeks to assess so we have a meeting planned, to present shortlist. Looking at Wendy - who should we be talking to, so we can notify applicants in time...
14:07:40 <wseltzer> q+
14:07:45 <chaals> present+ chaals(scribe)
14:07:50 <chaals> scribe: Chaals
14:08:04 <chaals> Léonie: Have you seen messages from chairs abut the fund? I haven't much...
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14:08:14 <chaals> Scribe: I haven't other than from Léonie
14:08:33 <chaals> JudyB: I am pretty active in a couple of grojups and haven't seen it - will happily encourage chairs to share the message.
14:08:54 <Judy> q+
14:08:58 <chaals> Léonie: If we can encourage chairs, that would be good. Other ideas for dissemination? Does W3C plan more?
14:09:31 <chaals> Wendy: Acknowledging request for access to applications.
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14:09:49 <chaals> … Let's connect offline
14:10:21 <chaals> Judy: THere are not a lot of messages that go to community groups. I knnow people don't like repetition but in this case I think it makes sense to repeat and give good comntext
14:10:25 <chaals> Léonie: Agreed.
14:10:32 <chaals> [chaals agrees too]
14:10:35 <Judy> ack ju
14:10:55 <chaals> Jemma: I want to repost messages - where do I look for them?
14:11:17 <hober> present+
14:11:39 <chaals> Léonie: Easiest is to retweet from W3C accounts - or just write your own words
14:11:46 <wseltzer> https://twitter.com/w3c/status/1420008939224281091
14:11:51 <chaals> Wendy: I'll link the tweet we reposted
14:12:07 <chaals> Topic: Update on W3C participant survey
14:12:13 <chaals> agenda?
14:13:05 <chaals> Léonie: I approached NoMensa about taking up an offer to work on questions for a survey. Hope to get together in a couple of weeks and get some starter questions
14:13:43 <chaals> … Does anyone know of an international vocabulary for describing people - it is easy to find American ones but they are US-centric and don't match what people say or need in other places.'
14:13:53 <wseltzer> q?
14:13:54 <chaals> q?
14:13:55 <wseltzer> q-
14:14:32 <chaals> chaals: Recognise the problem but don't know of ay solutions.
14:15:02 <chaals> Léonie: What if we trigger based on users identifying where they are answering from. Depends on survey platform, and on what vocabularies we have.
14:15:37 <chaals> Tess: Instead of asking a binary question - are you XYZ - we can put all the labels we can find, and ask people to select whatever they think applies.
14:15:43 <chaals> Léonie: Yeah...
14:16:21 <chaals> [chaals thinks it is a helpful approach - there are certainly people who are aware of ways things are described in other places and identify with some of them]
14:16:47 <chaals> Tess: You can always break things into smaller sets to make a manageable set of questions in a chunk.
14:16:58 <Barbarah> FYI only Interesting Recent Survey and how the did the demographics. -	Survey Results: https://www.jetbrains.com/lp/devecosystem-2021/
14:17:08 <chaals> Topic: Open Pull Requests…
14:17:22 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/165
14:17:28 <chaals> sub-topic: PR #165
14:19:34 <chaals> Chaals: I opened this, but don't remember what it is about. I'll need to look harder at it.
14:19:43 <chaals> ACTION: Chaals look at PR #165
14:19:52 <chaals> sub-topic: PR #166
14:20:07 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/166
14:21:24 <chaals> Wendy: Adds link to current version
14:21:38 <chaals> Léonie: Has some cnflicts, seems like a sensible thing to do.
14:21:53 <chaals> ACTION Chaals resolve conflicts and merge #166
14:22:12 <chaals> s/ACTION Chaals/ACTION: Chaals to
14:22:24 <chaals> sub-topic: PR #169
14:22:27 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/169
14:22:40 <chaals> Léonie: add resources to race and feminism section
14:23:39 <chaals> … Jemma can you look at this?
14:23:56 <chaals> ACTION: Jemma to review and merge PR #169
14:24:28 <chaals> sub-topic: PR $172
14:24:45 <chaals> Léonie: link to rational and geek feminism wiki
14:24:46 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/172
14:24:58 <chaals> Tess: This surfaces links to things that are already in comments.
14:25:05 <chaals> Léonie: Looks useful
14:25:09 <chaals> CHaals: Agree
14:25:24 <chaals> RESOLVED: Merge PR #172
14:26:05 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/181
14:26:11 <chaals> sub-topic: PR#181
14:26:36 <chaals> Léonie: Update link to current disciplinary guidelines
14:26:44 <chaals> … seems pretty straightforward
14:27:09 <chaals> … propose merge
14:27:12 <chaals> Chaals: Agree
14:27:34 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/182
14:27:41 <chaals> sub-topic: PR#182 Add mediation
14:28:18 <chaals> Liz: Seems like a good possiblity - thught it was there already, but no.
14:28:24 <chaals> Chaals: Agree we should merge
14:29:21 <chaals> Liz: Adds mediation as a possible outcome for disciplinary processes, that can be a far more successful approach in some cases.
14:29:32 <chaals> Léonie: Seems perfectly sensible
14:29:54 <chaals> RESOLVED: Merge PR #182
14:30:25 <tink> https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/183
14:30:49 <chaals> sub-topic: PR#183 replace verbal with informal
14:31:22 <chaals> Judy: Verbal can mean words, and can mean "spoken". Might help to swap to "informal" but wondering if that is strong enough. If someone has been doing something unacceptable,
14:31:32 <chaals> … is it sufficient to give an informal warning?
14:32:08 <chaals> …Anything is better than "verbal" but not sure if "informal" is what we really want...
14:32:38 <Judy> q+
14:32:46 <chaals> Wendy: Step 3 is official reprimand. Step 1 should be less than that, so I thought "informal warning" was about right. We could ask whether there should be a record…
14:33:13 <chaals> Judy: If chairs are trying to talk to someone, they are rarely comfortable strating off in writing. I think it makes sense not to require a written record.
14:33:14 <chaals> q+
14:33:26 <chaals> … I'm OK with "informal" if others are OK with it.
14:33:30 <Judy> ack ju
14:36:26 <chaals> Chaals: recording is important, think it should be a request to stop doing something.
14:36:50 <wseltzer> q+
14:37:01 <wseltzer> ack chaals
14:37:06 <chaals> Léonie: A spoken warning if formal, and to should be noted that it occurred without it being a formal written warning. THat may be peculiar to the UK, but think we should think about this
14:37:30 <chaals> Wseltzer: Do people prefer "initial warning"
14:37:45 <Judy> q+
14:37:51 <chaals> CHaals: I would prefer something like "recorded request to stop doing something"
14:38:05 <chaals> Tess: Request sounds a bit weak
14:39:01 <chaals> Judy: THink this is getting interesting - I see chairs struggle here. Maybe we want to capture that where chairs are alerting people I think it is good to record that something occurred. Request may be light.
14:39:32 <chaals> … What about a recorded reminder about the CEPC? Triggers going over it with an individual, and clearly triggers the start of a formal procedure (if more is necessary)
14:39:48 <chaals> … There is a parallel to the requirement for a record in many countries.
14:40:27 <chaals> Léonie: Think we've had some good discussion, not sure we're ready to close this out. Maybe discuss on the issue a bit mre foirst
14:40:48 <chaals> chaals: Also, ping chairs list and note that this is about stuff we ask them to do so their opinion is useful
14:40:56 <Judy> q+ to comment on organizational aspect of this pull request
14:40:58 <chaals> Léonie: Yep, will do
14:41:06 <chaals> sub-topic: PR #184
14:41:53 <chaals> Judy: This happened in response to a specific incident. I wanted to encourage "individuals or organisations" and cannot tell if that made it in.
14:42:28 <chaals> … There are cases where people impugn the motives of an organisation and therefore a representative and we wanted to clarify that this isn't something we think is OK.
14:43:06 <chaals> Léonie: doesn't add "organisatons"
14:43:13 <chaals> Judy: Does it need discussion?
14:43:14 <chaals> q+
14:43:22 <Jemma> +1
14:43:29 <Judy> ack w
14:43:32 <chaals> … There are attacks on both people and orgs
14:43:33 <Judy> ack j
14:43:33 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on organizational aspect of this pull request
14:43:37 <Judy> ack ch
14:44:13 <chaals> Chaals: Think we shoud merge this because it is simple and get another PR on attacks on organisations' motives etc...
14:44:37 <chaals> Léonie: Looks like we need to resolve conflicts, can update this or add one.
14:45:22 <chaals> RESOLUTION: Postpone decision on this and add the new point about attacking organisations to it.
14:45:31 <chaals> Topic: Any other business:
14:45:44 <chaals> Jemma: You can merge the PR I was assigned.
14:46:25 <chaals> [Meeting adjourned.]
14:46:44 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
14:46:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/27-pwe-minutes.html Jemma
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14:52:21 <chaals> i|https://github.com/w3c/PWETF/pull/182|RESOLUTION: Merge PR #181
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14:57:00 <chaals> present+ Barbara, JudyBrewer, WendySeltzer, LizLutgendorf
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14:59:09 <chaals> regrets+ Tobie
14:59:14 <chaals> rrasgent, make minutes
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14:59:46 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/27-pwe-minutes.html chaals
15:01:17 <chaals> chair: Léonie
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15:24:44 <tink> Thank you.
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