IRC log of wpwg-spc on 2021-07-26
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- logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-wpwg-spc-irc
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- Meeting: SPC Task Force
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- Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021Jul/0006.html
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- Chair: Ian
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- Scribe: Ian
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- present+
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- present+ Rouslan_Solomakhin
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- present+ Bastien_Latge
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- present+ Clinton_Allen
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- present+ Anne_Pouillard
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- regrets+ Stephen_McGruer
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- present+ Susan_Pandy
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- present+ Gerhard_Oosthuizen
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- present+ Jonathan_Grossar
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- present+ Sameer_Tare
- 16:02:46 [AdrianHB]
- present+ AdrianHB
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- present+ Christian_Aabye
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- -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-payments-wg/2021Jul/0006.html Agenda
- 16:03:24 [rouslan]
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- present+
- 16:03:30 [Gerhard]
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- 16:03:30 [Ian]
- Topic: Preparing for FPWD for SPC API
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- -> https://w3c.github.io/secure-payment-confirmation/ SPC API
- 16:04:06 [Ian]
- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/wiki/Plan-2021
- 16:05:28 [Ian]
- present+ Doug_Fisher
- 16:06:34 [rouslan]
- q+ to ask whether the major point of FPWD is the patent exclusion or something else?
- 16:06:47 [Ian]
- Ian: Can we start CfC on 5 August?
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- ack rouslan
- 16:06:49 [Zakim]
- rouslan, you wanted to ask whether the major point of FPWD is the patent exclusion or something else?
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- 16:08:50 [Ian]
- present+ Werner_Bruinings
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- present+ Praveena_Subrahmany
- 16:10:32 [Ian]
- Ian: I think the main reason to go to FPWD is to say "The wg plans to make this a rec (in the future)." Important industry statement.
- 16:10:34 [Ian]
- q?
- 16:10:53 [AdrianHB]
- q+ to ask about timing
- 16:11:10 [Ian]
- Ian: Does FPWD hinder us from making changes?
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- Rouslan: No
- 16:11:23 [Ian]
- ...we like the living specification model (e.g., HTML4)
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- s/HTML4/HTML5
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- q+ to talk about living standard
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- ack AdrianHB
- 16:11:44 [Zakim]
- AdrianHB, you wanted to ask about timing
- 16:12:14 [Ian]
- AdrianHB: My fear is that if stuff ships and people are implementing against it (irrespective of specs), browsers will be reluctant to change.
- 16:12:39 [Ian]
- ...if people are implementing against what you put out in first iteration, it's very hard to make breaking changes
- 16:13:11 [Ian]
- ...so my question -- is there a deadline for suggested changes? How soon would you like people to suggest changes to the spec so that it can be incorporated into chrome?
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- rouslan: Pull request this week or next week might make it into the first version we ship
- 16:13:31 [Ian]
- ...the timeline is quite tight at this point
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- ...I do understand the concern about shipping things and those features being "burnt into the net"
- 16:14:02 [Ian]
- ...that's the point of the origin process (we've been in trial for nearly a year on and off)
- 16:14:32 [Ian]
- ...we are making spec changes and API changes based on both partner feedback and webAuthn team within Google
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- ...so we've been moving the API closer to WebAuthn
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- ...I don't think we should be too concerned about the inability to remove things from the Web...we have processes for deprecation
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- ...relies on good feature detection and availability of new improved approach
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- ...when users of old API drop below .002% of all page loads (approximately) we can remove the API from the Web
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- 16:16:03 [Ian]
- ...I envision that SPC will be a good signal to the ecosystem to start using it...and we'll get more feedback from those users
- 16:16:10 [AdrianHB]
- q+ to ask about feature detection for SPC
- 16:16:14 [Ian]
- ..and we'll add new features and try to prevent old features from breaking
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- ..is chrome 93 we are switching lots of things that are breaking changes, which is ok in origin trial
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- ack AdrianHB
- 16:17:00 [Zakim]
- AdrianHB, you wanted to ask about feature detection for SPC
- 16:17:14 [AdrianHB]
- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/81
- 16:17:17 [Ian]
- AdrianHB: The one thing it would be great to fix before shipping is feature detection
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- ...it's not great right now
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- ...I'm happy to help with this if that's a priority
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- rouslan: +1
- 16:20:44 [rouslan]
- q+ to say that updated feature detection is planned for after first ship date
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- ack me
- 16:20:51 [Zakim]
- Ian, you wanted to talk about living standard
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- ack rouslan
- 16:20:55 [Zakim]
- rouslan, you wanted to say that updated feature detection is planned for after first ship date
- 16:21:30 [Ian]
- rouslan: Regarding feature detection; I think our plan is to ship without stronger feature detection and to improve it in subsequent implementation
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- Topic: SPC issues
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- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues
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- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/84
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- Ian: Any more views on 84?:
- 16:24:43 [rouslan]
- q+ to talk about the enrollment UI
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- ack rous
- 16:24:46 [Zakim]
- rouslan, you wanted to talk about the enrollment UI
- 16:25:00 [Ian]
- rouslan: I think a majority of the Google team is leaning to "no special enrollment UI"
- 16:25:08 [Ian]
- ...to align more with WebAuthn
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- ...the reasons for enrollment UI were 2 originally: (1) icon/display information was required at enrollment, but that's no longer necessary
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- (2) privacy team had originally suggested that in order to do enrollment in a cross-origin iframe needed special UI
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- ...however, more internal discussions suggest that the enrollment UI is probably not required for privacy
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- Ian: Do you think 3p enrollment will be more generally acceptable to WebAuthn?
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- rouslan: Don't know yet
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- https://github.com/w3c/secure-payment-confirmation/issues/92\
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- Topic: Next call
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- 2 July
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- RRSAGENT, make minutes
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/07/26-wpwg-spc-minutes.html Ian
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- RRSAGENT, set logs public
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- rrsagent, bye
- 16:30:22 [RRSAgent]
- I see no action items