Meeting minutes
[New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3h4uI9U)
jamesn: MathML 3 https://
Any examples we can point them to?
jcraig: VoiceOver has native support for MathML... why ARIA?
jamesn: others in the group that could contribute?
joanie: MathML is being implemented in Chromium by Igalia
https://
jcraig: Assign to Neil Soiffer?
Action: jamesn to assign #1505 to Neil Soiffer
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2154 - Assign neil soiffer [on James Nurthen - due 2021-07-08].
[New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3duHRag)
Confirmation - Are we meeting next week?
jamesn: I'm on vacation next week
cyns: available, but MS no meeting week due to holiday
jcraig: also available. but not the following week.
Bryan: avaiable
William: double booked
jamesn: joanie to chair or cancel at her discretion
[Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3hsVmZk)
No meeting next week, but meaty topic for the following week July 15
Cyns: Another deep dive on AccName?
jamesn: jcraig not available that week
[TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482)
jamesn: anyone to meet with, or not at all?
if no response, we'll answer Judy that we're not meeting
[When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57)
jamesn: consensus from deep dive was to consider using innerText
jcraig: on the surface it seems reasonable... still need to vet
cyns: same
joanie: colleague hakobo mentioned function to return innerText returns empty string when element is not visible
jamesn: in the debugger right now... seems to work
[Open PR reviews](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pulls)
https://
jamesn: still draft. Sarah?
sarah_higley: joanie asked me to link a test page.. will do.
https://
ready to merge, though joanie Scott, and Melanie discussing.
Scott: shouldn't need role=none on an image with alt=""
jcraig: is there still a implementation difference between `alt` and `alt=""`?
Scott: should be equivalent
jamesn: joanie, okay to merge?
joanie: okay to merge... though possibly add meaty topic for childrenPresentational
jamesn: agreed. merging.
Action: jamesn to merge #1497
<trackbot> Created ACTION-2155 - Merge #1497 [on James Nurthen - due 2021-07-08].
https://
Scott: "Do not restrict img naming to aria-label/labelledby" for example, <img> in HTML host language...
Bryan: would alt attribute work on div?
Scott: no b/c alt not allowed on div.... title attribute would work though
https://
"Prohibit presentation / none on where it causes conflict resolution"
joanie: still open, discussing.
Scott: please also add me as reviewer... may be some overlap with ARIA in HTML
https://
"Remove aria-level from listitem"
jamesn: reviewers will approve... thank you William!
https://
"Revisions to accessible name required"
mix of editorial along with normative changes.... because of the normative update, can't merge to 1.3 without tests....
jamesn: actually, I think I can because this doesn't change any UA requirement, only validators... so no validator tests required. any objections to merge?
joanie: should put this on the Wiki page for author MUST?
Scott: any validators identified that we should run tests against?
jamesn: axe and others
any others using same rule engine, axe is the primary using that rule engine
jamesn: planning to use the axe cli...
joanie: nu validator
jamesn: also some new ibm validator
https://
"aria-disabled and descendant elements"
jamesn: can I get another reviewer? (crickets)
(Scott bribes jcraig with a t-shirt "I'm fine, but check my fineness")
https://
"Update required owned elements and required context role"
jamesn: Sarah to resolve.. I will merge.
https://
"Update caption role example"
jamesn: not overcome by events.. limits example to providing accessible name
Scott: example was originally in there to show either caption or description.. this PR removes that.. We should not approve.
jamesn: b/c it no longer automatically names its parent
jamesn: overcome by events due to other changes in the naming mechanism to allow encapsulation and its inverse... but those are reverted, so PR #1298 is no longer necessary.
jamesn: adjourned