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11:53:32 <xfq> Meeting: MiniApps WG Call
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11:53:37 <xfq> present+ qing
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12:02:52 <xfq> yongjing: review the deliverables
12:03:02 <xfq> ... Issues & PR discussion
12:03:11 <xfq> ... White paper maintenance
12:03:35 <xfq> ... Next teleconference time
12:03:55 <xfq> ... we published manifest as fpwd
12:04:07 <xfq> ... also published lifecycle
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12:04:27 <QingAn> present+
12:04:30 <xfq> ... packaging
12:04:50 <xfq> ... perhaps we can get conclusion at the end of this call
12:05:05 <xfq> ... the plan is to reach fpwd in Q2
12:05:19 <xfq> ... we have a few PRs under discussions
12:05:36 <xfq> present+ shuo_wang
12:05:47 <xfq> present+ Changhao_Liang
12:05:59 <xfq> present+ xiaoqian
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12:06:31 <xfq> zhoudan: core change is the uri syntax part
12:06:39 <xfq> ... changed the chinese text
12:06:44 <xfq> ... not english yet
12:06:54 <xfq> ... i'll translate it and update the images
12:07:04 <xfq> ... hope you can give me some advice about the syntax
12:07:23 <xfq> present+ zitao_wang
12:07:48 <xfq> yongjing: we can review it later
12:07:55 <xfq> ... any update on widget?
12:09:41 <xfq> ... let's go through the issues and prs
12:09:48 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/20
12:09:53 <xfq> martin: old PR from May
12:10:28 <xfq> [martin introduces the pr]
12:11:23 <xfq> yongjing: i reviewed this and approved it on github
12:11:25 <xfq> ... any comments?
12:11:50 <xfq> ... i propose that we merge this pr
12:12:15 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/21
12:12:32 <xfq> [zitao introduces the pr]
12:14:06 <xfq> zitao: For min_platform_version, proposed to add a platform_version object, that contains min_platform_version, target_platform_version, and release_type
12:14:45 <xfq> yongjing: any comments from xfq?
12:14:47 <xfq> xfq: lgtm
12:14:58 <xfq> yongjing: any other comments?
12:15:12 <xfq> ... I propose that we merge this PR
12:16:11 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-manifest/pull/23
12:16:38 <xfq> zitao: propose to add two attributes to support the selection of color mode and device types
12:18:33 <xfq> qing: is there a plan to make a normative list of possible values in the manifest spec?
12:18:49 <xfq> zitao: not currently to make it more flexible
12:19:03 <xfq> ... to make it support current and future devices
12:19:58 <xfq> zhoudan: i think there should be a default mode for each miniapp
12:20:15 <xfq> ... i don't think this member is needed
12:20:20 <xfq> zitao: it's optional
12:20:45 <xfq> zhoudan: ok
12:20:52 <xfq> ... i need more time to look at this proposal
12:21:18 <xfq> yongjing: i encourage group participants to look at this proposal and comment on github
12:21:48 <xfq> https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/pull/26
12:21:56 <xfq> martin: large pr
12:22:25 <xfq> [martin introduces the pr]
12:23:33 <xfq> martin: Simplification of algorithms
12:24:42 <xfq> ... added a note about file names
12:26:16 <xfq> ... follow the current status of the CSS standards
12:26:31 <xfq> ... several open issues
12:26:40 <xfq> ... like the markup language
12:26:56 <xfq> ... MiniApp vendors, please share your opinions
12:27:53 <xfq> ... please review https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/27
12:28:47 <xfq> yongjing: i encourage group participants to look at #27 and provide feedback on github
12:29:13 <xfq> ... back to the pr
12:29:18 <xfq> ... i propose that we merge this pr
12:30:13 <xfq> ... back to addressing
12:30:38 <xfq> ... we can discuss it but don't have to make decision today
12:31:05 <xfq> zhoudan: main difference is that there are two formats of uri
12:31:18 <xfq> ... first is custom scheme
12:31:41 <xfq> ... platform://miniapp/foo
12:31:47 <xfq> ... second is https
12:32:16 <xfq> ... like https://platform.org/miniapp/foo
12:32:18 <xfq> ... using deep linking technology
12:32:31 <xfq> ... we can discuss further after i translate it into english
12:33:07 <xfq> yongjing: i have some comments personally
12:33:17 <xfq> ... i understand you proposed two solutions
12:33:39 <xfq> ... but i remember most of the pushback was to the first solution
12:33:47 <xfq> ... https is preferred
12:34:17 <xfq> ... i'm not sure if preserving the custom scheme is good
12:34:32 <xfq> zhoudan: we don't need to register the custom scheme in iana
12:34:58 <xfq> yongjing: i understand that
12:35:19 <xfq> ... but there may be concern about the custom scheme solution
12:38:05 <xfq> aaron: curios about the use case
12:38:31 <xfq> zhoudan: the legacy solution should also be supported
12:40:44 <xiaoqian> scribe+ xiaoqian
12:41:05 <xiaoqian> xfq: we can wait for the recharter regarding those two issues of the white paper
12:41:25 <xiaoqian> ... if there is a broken link, we can fix in place
12:41:27 <angel> +1 to handle the charter issue later
12:41:39 <xiaoqian> ... for those other editorial changes, we can leave it open
12:42:28 <xiaoqian> yongjing: #90, opened long time ago
12:42:37 <xiaoqian> ... seems outdated to me
12:42:41 <xiaoqian> ... shall we close it?
12:43:00 <xiaoqian> dan: I'll ask him to take care of it later
12:43:53 <xiaoqian> xfq: #9, lgtm
12:44:20 <xiaoqian> ... propose some new text about new page
12:44:24 <xiaoqian> ... APIs about events
12:44:33 <xiaoqian> ... components related APIs
12:45:25 <xiaoqian> ... comments were about the terms
12:46:07 <xfq> xiaoqian: PR opened by me
12:46:13 <xfq> ... will solve the conflict
12:46:21 <xfq> ... and ask the group to merge it
12:46:59 <xiaoqian> topic: AoB
12:47:13 <xiaoqian> xfq: what's the plan for lifecycle?
12:47:28 <xiaoqian> ... any issue before we go to wide review?
12:47:55 <xiaoqian> QingAn: three issues left
12:48:01 <xiaoqian> ... I'll look into them
12:48:32 <xiaoqian> ... let's see what comments we can get from the community
12:49:17 <xiaoqian> xfq: fyi, the i18n WG is working on a guide of developing localised manifest
12:49:38 <xiaoqian> s/localised/localisable
12:49:52 <xiaoqian> yongjing: is it a joint-work with the WebApps manifest?
12:50:03 <xiaoqian> xfq: not yet, still an early draft
12:50:39 <xiaoqian> yongjing: I think the web apps manifest has similar discussion about localisation
12:50:55 <xiaoqian> ... and we are following those guidance
12:51:22 <xiaoqian> ... if the i18n wg are also having conflicting specs
12:51:31 <xiaoqian> ... it may case confusion
12:51:48 <xiaoqian> ... but it's good that some professionals are handling these issues
12:52:03 <xiaoqian> ... we can put our localisation issues on hold
12:52:44 <xiaoqian> yongjing: there are some other important technical open issues
12:53:20 <xiaoqian> martin: we have discussion related topics in the CG
12:53:51 <xiaoqian> ... about the UI components, what's our proposal
12:54:08 <xiaoqian> ... I've opened a few issues
12:54:25 <xiaoqian> ... maybe we can update our explainers in the CG
12:54:37 <martin> Some comments here : https://github.com/w3c/miniapp-packaging/issues/2#issuecomment-815619698
12:54:47 <xiaoqian> ... to work with Open UI, and other similar framework
12:55:06 <xiaoqian> yongjing: the file format of the page layout is also very critical
12:55:32 <xiaoqian> ... the current implementation is not valid xml file
12:55:52 <xiaoqian> ... we should think about whether we can change xml to html
12:56:00 <martin> q+
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12:56:20 <xiaoqian> dan: I suggest create a spec m-a-ml
12:56:37 <xiaoqian> ... neither xml nor html can meet our need
12:56:49 <xiaoqian> yongjing: do you have plan to work on it some time soon?
12:57:02 <xiaoqian> dan: we can start it soon
12:57:23 <xiaoqian> yongjing: it can be challenging
12:57:43 <xiaoqian> ... we should be prepared for the comments
12:57:50 <xfq> ack martin
12:57:53 <xiaoqian> dan: we can start from an explainer
12:58:10 <xiaoqian> martin: two comments about this open issue
12:58:26 <xiaoqian> ... opt1. create a new mark-up
12:58:38 <xiaoqian> ... a lot of new work and to-be-defined
12:58:50 <xiaoqian> ... opt2. an extension of html
12:59:14 <xiaoqian> ... discussion the specific need of mini app-ml
12:59:38 <xiaoqian> s/discussion the/discuss the
12:59:55 <xiaoqian> ... I suggest we continue the discussion about the pos and cons in this thread
13:00:31 <xiaoqian> yongjing: let's continue the discussion and see if we can find consensus
13:00:59 <xiaoqian> martin: it's just some suggestion to help find the best solution and to get help from other groups
13:01:22 <xiaoqian> yongjing: next call, 29 July
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13:01:59 <martin> Thank you!!
13:02:08 <xiaoqian> [adjourned]
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