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15:31:50 <Zakim> RRSAgent, make logs Public
15:31:50 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), joanie
15:31:56 <joanie> meeting: ARIA WG
15:32:01 <joanie> chair: Joanmarie_Diggs
15:32:12 <joanie> agenda?
15:32:26 <joanie> agenda: this
15:32:26 <agendabot> joanie, sorry, could not get this (code 400).
15:32:26 <joanie> agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gDpQHj)
15:32:26 <joanie> agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3wxboYd)
15:32:26 <joanie> agenda+ [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/2RZHxIV)
15:32:27 <joanie> agenda+ [When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57)
15:32:29 <joanie> agenda+ [onboarding update?](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401)
15:32:32 <joanie> agenda+ [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482)
15:32:34 <joanie> agenda+ [Attribute with natural language but no language meta data](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1365)
15:32:37 <joanie> agenda: be done
15:32:37 <agendabot> joanie, sorry, could not get be done (code 400).
15:33:00 <joanie> agenda?
15:33:17 <joanie> scribeOptions: -final
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17:04:15 <MarkMcCarthy> present+
17:04:18 <jcraig> scribe: jcraig
17:04:25 <jcraig> present+
17:04:32 <joanie> present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
17:04:40 <jcraig> present+ jcraig
17:04:48 <Greta> present+
17:05:04 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
17:05:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/17-aria-minutes.html jcraig
17:05:12 <jcraig> zakim, take up item 1
17:05:12 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gDpQHj) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:05:49 <jcraig> joanie: No new items
17:05:50 <jcraig> Zakim, close item 1
17:05:50 <Zakim> agendum 1, [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/3gDpQHj), closed
17:05:51 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:05:51 <Zakim> 2. [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3wxboYd) [from joanie]
17:06:16 <jcraig> joanie: No new PRs
17:06:19 <jcraig> Zakim, close item 2
17:06:19 <Zakim> agendum 2, [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/3wxboYd), closed
17:06:20 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:06:20 <Zakim> 3. [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/2RZHxIV) [from joanie]
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17:07:12 <jcraig> joanie: IIRC AccName mega meeting next week
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17:07:27 <jcraig> jcraig: I am available for next week
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17:08:21 <jcraig> Bryan: I am available.
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17:08:47 <MarkMcCarthy> present+ BryanGaraventa
17:08:57 <jcraig> Zakim, next item
17:08:57 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/2RZHxIV) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:09:05 <StefanS> present+ StefanSchnabel
17:09:05 <jg> present+
17:09:14 <jcraig> Zakim, close item 3
17:09:14 <Zakim> agendum 3, [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/2RZHxIV), closed
17:09:15 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:09:15 <Zakim> 4. [When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57) [from joanie]
17:09:20 <jcraig> Zakim, next item
17:09:20 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [When is hidden content taken into calculation of name and description?](https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:10:13 <jcraig> joanie: people please chime in on issue #57
17:11:26 <jcraig> re: labelledy in unrendered/hidden spec, spec says only the specific node should be exposed. Not hidden/unrendeded child nodes.
17:11:39 <jcraig> Cyns also commented
17:12:12 <jcraig> joanie: jcraig said this was on purpose based on prior conversations
17:12:18 <joanie> scribe: joanie
17:12:54 <joanie> jcraig: I recall having this conversation with Aaron and others, maybe you Joanie. I don't know if there was written record of the conversation.
17:13:17 <joanie> jcraig: We talked about the purposeful inclusion and accidental inclusion of things which are unrendered.
17:13:19 <WTennisNFCU_> present+
17:13:35 <joanie> jcraig: Most of the time, I think it was an accidental inclusion.
17:14:11 <joanie> jcraig: I remember a dialog that was marked as aria-hidden, but there were some unrendered child nodes. And we couldn't figure out how to expose some, but not others.
17:14:39 <joanie> jcraig: The safest thing to do seemed to be to only expose the hidden container.
17:15:06 <joanie> jcraig: I haven't read Cynthia's comments last week.
17:15:13 <joanie> jcraig: I will do so later.
17:15:45 <jcraig> scrive: jcraig
17:16:35 <jcraig> joanie: ok so please read and comment... need consensus between the group and implementors
17:16:46 <jcraig> scribe: jcraig
17:17:00 <jcraig> zakim, next item
17:17:00 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [onboarding update?](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:17:15 <MarkMcCarthy> s/scrive: jcraig/
17:17:24 <jcraig> joanie: any onboarding updates?
17:17:49 <jcraig> zakim, close item 5
17:17:49 <Zakim> agendum 5, [onboarding update?](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401), closed
17:17:51 <Zakim> I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:17:51 <Zakim> 6. [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482) [from joanie]
17:18:05 <jcraig> zakim, take up item 6
17:18:05 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:18:50 <jcraig> joanie: jamesn has been managing.. should we meet and with whom?
17:20:11 <jcraig> jcraig: I don't see a need to meet as our group wince we're meeting regularly remotely anyway
17:20:43 <jcraig> jcraig: but if there is an item we should get on another group's agenda, some ARIA members could attend that.
17:21:43 <jcraig> joanie: agree that the main benefit is same time zone and physical location, so no pressing need to meet. Deep dive has taken the place of some of that need… can invite people as needed
17:22:20 <jcraig> s/pressing need to meet/pressing need for ARIA WG to meet at TPAC 2021/
17:22:35 <jcraig> zakim, close item 6
17:22:35 <Zakim> agendum 6, [TPAC 2021](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1482), closed
17:22:37 <Zakim> I see 1 item remaining on the agenda:
17:22:37 <Zakim> 7. [Attribute with natural language but no language meta data](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1365) [from joanie]
17:22:40 <jcraig> zakim, take up item 7
17:22:40 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- [Attribute with natural language but no language meta data](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1365) -- taken up [from joanie]
17:23:22 <joanie> scribe: joanie
17:24:59 <joanie> jcraig: Bert Bos, one of the founders of CSS WG, has pointed out that aria-valuetext is localizable user-presented string. But because it is an attribute, there is no way to explicitly set the language apart from setting it on the element itself.
17:26:12 <joanie> jcraig: I think the issue resolution could be the following: 1) Do nothing and close the issue. You can use lang attribute on the node. Or 2) specifically mention that in the ARIA spec in the translatable states and properties section.
17:26:37 <joanie> jcraig: I think it should defer to the host language.
17:26:57 <joanie> jcraig: I am happy to do either. I was intending to do a pull request.
17:27:07 <joanie> jcraig: If we don't think we need it, we can close the issue without it.
17:27:22 <jcraig> scribe: jcraig
17:28:17 <jcraig> joanie: if someone has a valid point (which Bert does here), I'd prefer to make the clarification change in the Translatable attributes section
17:29:05 <joanie> https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57
17:29:05 <jcraig> zakim, close item 7
17:29:06 <Zakim> agendum 7, [Attribute with natural language but no language meta data](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1365), closed
17:29:07 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
17:29:41 <jcraig> joanie: please use remaining time to review and comment issue 57 https://github.com/w3c/accname/issues/57
17:29:47 <jcraig> adjourned
17:30:37 <jcraig> zakim, please part
17:30:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been MarkMcCarthy, jcraig, Joanmarie_Diggs, Greta, BryanGaraventa, StefanSchnabel, jg, WTennisNFCU_
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17:30:49 <jcraig> rrsagent, make minutes
17:30:49 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/17-aria-minutes.html jcraig
17:34:00 <jcraig> I first made the request at the beginning of the call
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17:34:28 <joanie> Not sure....
17:34:29 <jcraig> Seems like the generation service is down... https://www.w3.org/2021/06/17-aria-minutes.html or taking more than 30 minutes to respond
17:35:11 <cyns> Is there a different zoom link for today? there's no one in the one from the calendar
17:35:27 <cyns> Ah, ok! thanks
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