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12:48:53 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:48:53 <trackbot> Date: 16 June 2021
12:48:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ XR Accessibility User Requirements: open issues.
12:48:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements: any updates.
12:48:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Web of Things and Devices and Sensors use cases.
12:48:53 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Accessibility of remote meetings.
12:49:04 <jasonjgw> agenda+ Natural Language Interface Accessibility User Requirements: open issues.
12:49:20 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:49:22 <jasonjgw> present+
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13:00:24 <Joshue108> scribe: Joshue108
13:00:32 <Joshue108> agenda?
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13:02:04 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
13:02:27 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:02:27 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- XR Accessibility User Requirements: open issues. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:02:46 <Joshue108> JW: There is ongoing work on open issues
13:02:48 <SteveNoble> present+
13:02:59 <Joshue108> I see that Josh has been in touch with the COGA TF regarding comments
13:03:16 <Joshue108> There are a set up issues to be resolved before publication
13:04:05 <jasonjgw> Josh has been awaiting clarification of certain issues that are in the GitHub tracker. Josh will discuss some of the follow-up comments with the COGA Task Force at their meeting.
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13:04:27 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/182
13:04:34 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/181
13:04:43 <jasonjgw> Josh (responding to Janina): these are our last outstanding issues for this document.
13:05:38 <Joshue108> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues/183
13:07:00 <jasonjgw> Josh hopes to clarify by next week which of the issues constitute potential new user needs/system requirements.
13:07:20 <jasonjgw> Josh: at that point we'll be able to decide what to add.
13:07:41 <Joshue108> JW: Sounds clear
13:08:24 <Joshue108> JS: Where we are referring to other docs, if it is Content Usable to be referenced, that would be preferred, over others.
13:08:53 <Joshue108> SH: I've been seeing your emails, good work
13:09:41 <jasonjgw> Josh notes the challenges associated with finding references to appropirate sources; he notes the value of the Making Content Usable document for this purpose.
13:10:33 <jasonjgw> Josh notes that some issues (notably, of discoverability in the UI of an application) depend on the details of each implementation.
13:10:40 <Joshue108> JB: Some others trying to login
13:11:00 <Joshue108> JW: Any final remarks on this?
13:11:22 <Joshue108> Once we have the COGA feedback to Josh's questions we should be clearer as to what changes we need to make etc
13:11:38 <Joshue108> And then we can take it forward to publish
13:11:48 <Joshue108> We can aim for that next week
13:11:56 <Joshue108> JS: Sounds promising etc.
13:12:07 <Joshue108> Are we ready with messaging etc?
13:12:21 <Joshue108> JOC: Yup, all done
13:12:41 <jasonjgw> Josh notes that messaging for the prospective publication is lined up.
13:13:02 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:13:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Synchronization Accessibility User Requirements: any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:13:18 <Joshue108> JW: Any updates?
13:15:00 <Joshue108> JW: We put a doc into a GH repo, APA
13:15:08 <Joshue108> Needs editing and work
13:15:27 <Joshue108> JW: Steve has work he plans to contribute
13:15:34 <Joshue108> <discusses formatting issues>
13:15:56 <Joshue108> The basic work has been done
13:16:26 <Joshue108> SN: I will try to add some new content to Github around audio descriptions
13:16:45 <Joshue108> JS: Great, I'm due to work on edits for the abstract and intro.
13:17:15 <Joshue108> JW: Then we can start editing and get ready for circulation
13:17:34 <Joshue108> JS: I'd like to have this as FPWD for TPAC
13:18:08 <jasonjgw> I was somehow disconnected - will rejoin.
13:18:13 <SteveNoble> Me too
13:18:19 <JPaton> Judy was the host so I think we all did.
13:18:26 <janina> Judy was our audio bridge!
13:18:45 <scott_H> yes I think we all dropped out
13:19:00 <janina> zakim, who's here?
13:19:00 <Zakim> Present: jasonjgw, Joshue, John_Paton, SteveNoble
13:19:02 <Zakim> On IRC I see scott_H, SteveNoble, JPaton, janina, Zakim, RRSAgent, trackbot, Joshue108, jasonjgw
13:21:58 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:21:58 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Web of Things and Devices and Sensors use cases. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:22:26 <Joshue108> JW: I've circulated on mailing list ref to wiki page with commentary
13:22:51 <Joshue108> Some are a11y but not derived from WoT work directly
13:22:58 <Joshue108> Good time to hear peoples ideas.
13:23:09 <Joshue108> JS: Can we walk thru these?
13:23:26 <Joshue108> We have some from the WoT group.
13:23:53 <jasonjgw> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Wot_usecases
13:24:08 <Joshue108> JOC: FYI I pinged the WoT group recently to ask if there an update on our input
13:24:21 <Joshue108> I heard nothing back
13:25:02 <Joshue108> JW: List what they are?
13:25:17 <Joshue108> JS: Some which are explicitly accessibility related
13:25:46 <Joshue108> JW: <Lists use cases>
13:27:45 <Joshue108> JW: <Discussed presentation etc>
13:28:01 <Joshue108> JW: What do we want to do?
13:28:12 <Joshue108> Discuss now, or work on them and then discuss?
13:28:50 <jasonjgw> Josh notes that a refresh would be desirable, as this page was put together in June 2019.
13:28:51 <Joshue108> JOC: I started this doc in June 2019
13:29:41 <Joshue108> JW: I think these are reasonable
13:30:05 <Joshue108> JS: Josh's report of no response is worrying, maybe give it more time to see if we can get some response.
13:30:21 <Joshue108> q+
13:30:37 <Joshue108> JS: We could have more use cases
13:30:57 <Joshue108> JW: Can we socialise this at APA meeting
13:31:21 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll remind you
13:31:55 <Joshue108> JOC: I'll ping Kaz and the group
13:32:09 <Joshue108> JW: We could bring this back next week and look at status then.
13:32:23 <Joshue108> JS: Can I give brief backgroun
13:33:28 <Joshue108> <Gives WoT background>
13:33:40 <Joshue108> ACTION: Josh to ping WoT group for update on a11y use cases
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13:34:06 <Joshue108> JS: What specs will support our use case and requirements
13:34:29 <Joshue108> JB: The term WoT is a term for the Web based part of what you can do with Internet of things.
13:34:45 <Joshue108> an accessible WoT implications are massive
13:35:03 <Joshue108> e.g home based automation with an accessible interface that anticipates need
13:35:09 <Joshue108> same for work etc
13:35:51 <Joshue108> JB: So the Use case examples are critical for helping engineers understand a11y
13:36:08 <Joshue108> FB: Thanks for overview on WoT
13:36:43 <Joshue108> I'd like to see more that covers speech recognition, still struggles there for imperfect speech
13:37:02 <Joshue108> I dont really see that represented here yet
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13:37:20 <Joshue108> Broad comment - will likely raise that again.
13:37:23 <Joshue108> q?
13:37:25 <Joshue108> ack me
13:37:37 <Joshue108> JS: You are bringing this up at the right time.
13:37:56 <Joshue108> We have another document that is designed to cover that
13:38:28 <Joshue108> Natural Language User Interface Accessibility User Requirements (NAUR)
13:38:57 <Joshue108> JB: This has come up in other areas
13:39:56 <Joshue108> JS: I want to make sure we capture, the need for an understandable, achieveble, accessible - get out of jail free card
13:40:08 <Joshue108> How to restart a device when you cant reboot it etc?
13:40:24 <Joshue108> Like a busted thermostat, when it goes wrong - how can it be put right?
13:40:43 <Joshue108> JW: Useful, all pervasive use case.
13:40:56 <Joshue108> Do we need a category for over arching issues?
13:41:06 <Joshue108> JB: Or a map for intersections.
13:41:55 <Joshue108> RK: Regarding WoT, sometimes its about fitting it in diff kind of communication..
13:42:06 <Joshue108> If we consider Alexa..
13:42:29 <Joshue108> If someone is working on that - there may be other ways to interact, and not just speech or visually.
13:42:47 <Joshue108> JS: As a principle we prefer to see multiple options to interact
13:43:26 <Joshue108> JOC: Here is a link to the NAUR http://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur/naur/index.html
13:44:13 <Joshue108> SH: Using a Google without a screen - it can say please look at the screen but there may not be a screen.
13:44:29 <Joshue108> JS: I don't touch mine
13:44:44 <Joshue108> JS: The Google issue could be a config bug.
13:45:32 <Joshue108> q+
13:46:02 <Joshue108> JB: When giving my background, I mentioned we had a long debate on what to call this doc
13:46:17 <Joshue108> We didn't want it restricted to voice - so we wanted something more universal
13:46:44 <Joshue108> On a future call - we could spend some time discussing logistics
13:47:41 <Joshue108> JB: Judy reads question in chat.
13:48:37 <Joshue108> JW: WoT is one application, there is a natural intersection point
13:50:03 <Joshue108> JW: I'll work on this
13:50:14 <Joshue108> I also proposed some resolutions
13:50:16 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:50:16 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jasonjgw
13:50:28 <Joshue108> q?
13:50:30 <Joshue108> ack me
13:50:41 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:50:41 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Accessibility of remote meetings. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:51:14 <Joshue108> JS: Scott, I know you have been working on this.
13:51:56 <Joshue108> SH: I spent some time and separated out the definition, as well as types of platforms
13:52:23 <Joshue108> Then we have conference room platforms, and hybrid etc
13:52:37 <Joshue108> I've tweaked language etc, being reworked.
13:53:03 <Joshue108> JB: This is great
13:53:42 <Joshue108> JB: The user requirements that are unsorted, are they still?
13:54:08 <Joshue108> SH: Need to categorise etc, I've put comments against the to-dos.
13:54:20 <Joshue108> This could be reviewed by people on list
13:54:38 <Joshue108> JB: Priority is to get unsorted stuff sorted.
13:55:02 <Joshue108> SH: I've ordered as much as I can.
13:55:12 <Joshue108> JB: Lets catch up
13:55:35 <Joshue108> Some deaf and hard of hearing issues need to be included.
13:55:42 <Joshue108> SH: Its there in parts
13:56:10 <Joshue108> JB: I've a question on the XR Access Symposium
13:56:16 <Joshue108> agenda?
13:56:48 <Joshue108> TOPIC: Update on XR Access symposium
13:57:09 <Joshue108> JB: Gives background on symposium
13:57:30 <Joshue108> JB: Was the XR Accessibility User Requirements mentioned?
13:57:41 <Joshue108> Were there releveant intersections?
13:57:53 <Joshue108> JW: Yes it was mentioned in the plenary sessions early on and positively
13:58:18 <Joshue108> There are probably intersections and related outcomes
13:58:40 <Joshue108> Josh and i were there.
13:58:50 <Joshue108> We would have to look at findings.
14:00:03 <Joshue108> JOC: I heard W3C's work in Immersive A11y being referenced positively also.
14:00:08 <Joshue108> JW: Thanks all
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