17:53:33 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 17:53:33 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-aria-apg-irc 17:53:37 rrsagent, make log public 17:53:44 rrsagent, make minutes 17:53:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma 17:53:45 Zakim has joined #aria-apg 17:54:01 present+ 17:54:09 MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force 17:54:34 rrsagent, make log public 17:54:39 present+ 17:54:46 Agenda+ setup and review agenda 17:54:48 rrsagent, make minutes 17:54:48 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/15-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King 17:55:12 agenda+ Announcement: Feedback on APG redesign project needed. 17:55:20 agenda+ Skipto addon 17:55:31 agenda+ unicode symbols in CSS generated content 17:56:01 agenda+ Review on Accordion widget 17:56:14 agenda+ Discuss tooltip example assignment 17:56:17 agenda? 18:01:26 jongund has joined #aria-apg 18:03:31 scribe: siri 18:03:44 zakim, take up item 1 18:03:44 agendum 1 -- setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma] 18:04:16 siri has joined #aria-apg 18:04:41 zakim, take up item 2 18:04:41 agendum 2 -- Announcement: Feedback on APG redesign project needed. -- taken up [from Jemma] 18:05:06 https://github.com/w3c/apg-redesign/issues/1 18:05:21 Jemma: please comment on this issue 18:05:37 RN: Request to have feedback by Friday 18:07:01 Matt: It will be continuous iteration, feed back will be helpful. Provide as much feedback as possible. 18:08:38 zakim, take up item 3 18:08:38 agendum 3 -- Skipto addon -- taken up [from Jemma] 18:09:56 Updated the example to use a scripted shortcut key: ** For Windows and Linux: Alt+0 ** macOS: Command+0 18:09:56 The appropriate keyboard short cut is now part of the button label. 18:09:56 Mobile devices currently do not have the scripted shortcut, or do want them to? 18:09:56 Need more investigation for why it shows for keyboard activation and not for mouse click to a menu item 18:10:47 Matt: Didn't have time comment on this PR. Have concern with cmd+0 18:11:05 mck:option+0 may be better? 18:11:28 Matt: Can we option+0 on MAC as cmd+0 is used for tabbing on Mac? 18:12:08 Jon: Do we want shortcut keys on mobile devices? 18:12:43 Matt: Access key should work for bluetooth keyboard for iOS 18:13:11 Jon: We can test on iOS and add it later for iOS 18:13:25 Matt: Fine with that approch 18:13:51 Jemma: Need someone to test on windows and MAC 18:14:08 Matt: Just need review for functional confirmation 18:14:49 Jemma: Template is not responsive so have hard time to test it on mobile 18:15:34 zakim, take up item 4 18:15:34 agendum 4 -- unicode symbols in CSS generated content -- taken up [from Jemma] 18:16:43 Matt: We talked about at end of call and made no decision 18:16:52 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1876 18:17:07 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1876#issuecomment-858070613 18:17:14 most recent comment by simon 18:17:33 Matt: Bryan is using in some of his work like down arrows etc. We came to conclusion, if this done then should be placed in seperate with aria-hidden="true" 18:17:38 "The accessible name could be set with aria-label to something else, or maybe it could be removed with aria-hidden="true" if the other ARIA attributes already provide enough information and the triangle is only there to help visual users. I'm not sure what is best here." by simon 18:18:33 Matt: Talking about public useful recognize one 18:19:29 Jemma: public vs private 18:20:15 James: unicode should be pronounced all AT when used in private should not be pronounced. 18:20:26 http://www.unicode.org/faq/private_use.html 18:20:54 Developers can use their own for private use should be pronounced 18:21:01 Rich_Noah_ has joined #aria-apg 18:21:52 Jemma: we are talking about cases like down pointing triangle, right pointing triangle 18:21:54 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1876 18:22:29 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1651 18:23:00 Matt: This question is raised by Simon in issue#1876 18:24:04 Matt: An open question. Our decision is that it is acceptable. Use