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13:25:02 <ivan> Meeting: VC WG Telco
13:25:03 <ivan> Chair: brent, wayne
13:25:03 <ivan> Date: 2021-06-14
13:25:03 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2021Jun/0000.html
13:25:03 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2021-06-14: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-vc-wg/2021Jun/0000.html
13:25:04 <ivan> Regrets+ burn
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15:07:04 <MKupjetz> brent: Agenda Review, Round of introductions, scope of this group and approximate timeline, issues and PRs (as in the repo)
15:07:59 <ivan> Topic: Welcom
15:08:06 <ivan> s/Welcom/Welcome/
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15:08:32 <brent> https://www.w3.org/groups/wg/vc/charters
15:09:05 <ivan> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/verifiable-credentials-wg-charter.html
15:10:29 <MKupjetz> brent: meeting once a month, or less - as per the charter, our timeline will come to an end December 2021
15:10:48 <brent> q?
15:10:50 <MKupjetz> brent: maintenance of the verifiable credentials model, fix bugs
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15:11:57 <MKupjetz> brent: what we will be submitting is a "proposed revision", updates to a recommendation - once ready it can be sent out for review
15:12:32 <MKupjetz> ivan: new process for everyone, terms may differ but the idea is correct
15:12:54 <ivan> Topic: introductions
15:13:05 <MKupjetz> brent: Introductions (go through the attendees list)
15:16:10 <brent> zakim, who is here?
15:16:10 <Zakim> Present: ivan, manu, brent, DavidC, kdenhartog, markus_sabadello
15:16:12 <Zakim> On IRC I see Gregory_natran, markus_sabadello, kdenhartog, MKupjetz, DavidC, brent, RRSAgent, Zakim, ivan, tzviya, dlehn1, stonematt, hadleybeeman, bigbluehat, ChristopherA, manu,
15:16:12 <Zakim> ... rhiaro
15:16:28 <brent> present+ Gregory_natran
15:16:56 <brent> present+ MKupjetz
15:17:58 <brent> scribe+
15:18:25 <brent> MKupjetz: I'm a colleague of Gregory's. I work on Digital Identity, more on technical side, but also on some standards stuff.
15:19:19 <MKupjetz> ivan: Introduction
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15:19:25 <MKupjetz> Gregory_natran: Introduction
15:19:30 <MKupjetz> DavidC: Introduction
15:19:34 <MKupjetz> kdenhartog: Introduction
15:19:38 <MKupjetz> manu: Introduction
15:19:42 <MKupjetz> markus_sabadello: Introduction
15:19:47 <MKupjetz> Gerhard Oosthuizen: Introduction
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15:20:17 <MKupjetz> brent: before jumping into issues with PR - what are we hoping each member will contribute moving forward
15:21:04 <MKupjetz> brent: members can contribute - pull requests, raise issues, comment on issues raised by others, propose specific changes to text of the recommendation
15:21:44 <MKupjetz> brent: editors for the process are manu and kdenhartog
15:22:17 <MKupjetz> brent: most of the work will happen between meetings, using GitHub
15:22:21 <brent> Topic: Review vc-data-model Issue Classifications
15:22:22 <ivan> regrets+ wayne
15:22:34 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+sort%3Aupdated-asc
15:22:37 <MKupjetz> brent: next topic - Review of VC Data Model - Issues
15:23:26 <MKupjetz> brent: There are 56 open Issues - there are a number of labels attached, many marked "defer" (done by the original working group)
15:24:30 <MKupjetz> brent: some Issues marked with "PossibleErratum", some are also marked with the "maintenance tag" (the fix is for the maintenance group)
15:25:02 <MKupjetz> brent: Today - take Issues one at a time, and triage to determine if the labels are accurate - or if this should be addressed by the maintenance working group
15:25:03 <ivan> q+
15:25:07 <brent> ack ivan
15:25:25 <DavidC> q+
15:25:59 <brent> ack DavidC
15:26:03 <MKupjetz> ivan: to specify for the group what "defer" means - if we reach out to the working group with more than we have here, it may be deferred
15:26:29 <MKupjetz> DavidC: question - what group decided on the classification ?
15:27:03 <MKupjetz> brent: many Issues previously classified by editors, other team members, previous groups
15:27:24 <manu> q+
15:27:33 <brent> subtopic: @issue 76 Define SHACL constraints
15:27:37 <kdenhartog> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/76
15:27:39 <brent> ack manu
15:27:41 <MKupjetz> brent: Issue #76 - Define the SHACL constraints
15:28:10 <MKupjetz> manu: suggestion to defer Issue #76
15:28:27 <ivan> q+
15:28:34 <brent> ack ivan
15:28:58 <manu> q+
15:29:05 <manu> q-
15:29:28 <MKupjetz> ivan: raised an issue recently, and there are some problems on how the data models are expressed - SHACL would benefit - more to the topic
15:30:06 <manu> I will add defer-v2
15:30:12 <manu> q+
15:30:18 <MKupjetz> brent: suggestion for new label, other than "defferred" for issues like @issue 76 - "deferv2"
15:30:51 <brent> ack manu
15:31:04 <brent> subtopic: Issuers may express a Time to Live on the credential @issue 164
15:31:13 <kdenhartog> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/164
15:31:30 <MKupjetz> brent: discuss @issue 164 - previous group felt it should be deferred
15:31:46 <kdenhartog> +1 seems to be an extension at this point
15:31:52 <manu> q+ new feature
15:31:58 <manu> q- new
15:32:00 <manu> q- feature
15:32:08 <manu> Agree with brent that it should be deferred
15:32:12 <MKupjetz> brent: comment - a new feature, out of scope for the group
15:32:48 <MKupjetz> brent: no objections - @issue 164 marked deferred
15:32:48 <brent> subtopic: 3 Types of Claims @issue 47
15:32:52 <kdenhartog> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/47
15:33:08 <MKupjetz> brent: discuss @issue 47 - 3 types of claims
15:33:24 <manu> q+ to note we should close this
15:33:32 <brent> ack manu
15:33:32 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to note we should close this
15:33:42 <MKupjetz> brent: recommending changes to the proof property
15:34:09 <MKupjetz> manu: we have asked for feedback, none has been received, recommended to close if not actioned
15:34:20 <kdenhartog> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/105
15:34:25 <brent> subtopic: Holders and Identifiers @issue 105
15:34:41 <MKupjetz> brent: discuss @issue 105 - holder and identifiers
15:35:53 <MKupjetz> brent: is this to resolve/fix a bug in the spec, or add to it?
15:36:09 <MKupjetz> DavidC: there is ambiguity when subject does not equal holder
15:36:40 <kdenhartog> q+
15:37:33 <brent> ack kdenhartog
15:37:39 <MKupjetz> brent: describes an error which needs to be corrected - this issue can be labelled "Editorial"?
15:37:44 <manu> q+ to agree with kdenhartog
15:37:56 <brent> ack manu
15:37:56 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to agree with kdenhartog
15:38:10 <MKupjetz> kdentartog: a bug but not necessarily "fixable", should be part of "Editorial" - some changes to the text
15:38:39 <MKupjetz> manu: agreed, non-normative change - expectation of subject/holder/identifiers
15:39:02 <kdenhartog> q+
15:39:11 <brent> ack kdenhartog
15:39:41 <MKupjetz> brent: do we formally mark this as erratum?
15:40:05 <manu> q+
15:40:13 <brent> ack manu
15:40:16 <MKupjetz> kdenhartog: agreed, believe it is
15:40:31 <MKupjetz> manu: the text no longer exists in the spec, may no longer be an issue
15:40:59 <MKupjetz> DavidC: already some proposal in the issue, we could clarify in the text
15:41:19 <MKupjetz> brent: next steps - raising a PR which addresses concrete changes to the spec
15:41:41 <brent> subtopic: Does pseudo-anonymity require the issuer to cooperate @issue 209
15:41:41 <kdenhartog> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/issues/209
15:42:33 <MKupjetz> brent: discuss @issue 209
15:42:47 <Gerhard> Hi everyone. Unfortunately have to drop off. Nice meeting you. Will do some pre-reading of issues before our next session to be able to contribute more.
15:42:47 <kdenhartog> +1 to that Brent
15:42:48 <manu> Agree with that text that brent just said
15:42:51 <MKupjetz> brent: it would be appropriate to add text to the Zero Knowledge proofs section
15:42:54 <DavidC> q+
15:43:06 <brent> ack DavidC
15:43:32 <MKupjetz> DavidC: maybe the scope of this issue is larger, to what extent can an issuer control the discloser a holder has
15:43:43 <manu> q+ to provide another example -- witness issuers.
15:44:04 <Gregory_natran> q+
15:44:29 <brent> ack manu
15:44:29 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to provide another example -- witness issuers.
15:44:30 <MKupjetz> brent: assign brent to the issue, an idea of how to move forward with it
15:45:51 <MKupjetz> manu: agreed with the original text - but consider one use case: witness issuers
15:45:56 <DavidC> q+
15:46:26 <manu> +1 to giving brent a shot at the text :)
15:46:28 <brent> ack Gregory_natran
15:47:13 <MKupjetz> Gregory_natran: in response to DavidC, caution to preventing users from disclosing, the information is theirs and there may be consequent issues with restrictions on the holder/subject
15:47:22 <brent> ack DavidC
15:48:04 <MKupjetz> brent: to throw conversation into a new PR and can continue the discussion
15:48:29 <MKupjetz> brent: anything that is not "deferv2" or "erratum" - please add a comment to the issue to describe what you feel the proper classification *should* be
15:48:50 <MKupjetz> brent: Pull request - new topic, handing off to manu
15:48:54 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pulls
15:48:57 <brent> Topic: PRs
15:49:15 <MKupjetz> manu: new PR review process for 2021 we need to agree on
15:49:45 <manu> q+
15:50:02 <brent> ack manu
15:50:03 <MKupjetz> brent: discuss where PRs will be merged to, direction of PRs, make a determination if we are going to merge or if review is needed
15:50:24 <MKupjetz> manu: there are 2 targets to merge to - version 1.1 branch - majority of work is targetted there
15:50:34 <MKupjetz> version 1.1 - small editorial changes, erratum
15:50:46 <MKupjetz> version 2 - significant changes or upgrades
15:51:01 <Zakim> Zakim will reboot in 4 minutes
15:51:13 <MKupjetz> manu: largely upcoming calls will focus on version 1.1 - open PR describing the process
15:51:21 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/774
15:51:41 <brent> subtopic: @pr 774
15:51:50 <MKupjetz> manu: Wayne's PR, some suggestion were made in the comment, they have not been processed
15:52:13 <DavidC> q+
15:52:14 <MKupjetz> manu: @pr 774 is ready to go in, unless there are objections on this call
15:52:37 <MKupjetz> manu: this is the agreed upon process, and has been out for review - suggest to merge
15:52:43 <brent> ack DavidC
15:53:28 <MKupjetz> DavidC: clarify - what is version 1.2 (in PRs)
15:54:23 <MKupjetz> brent: quick editorial changes are set for version 1.1 and can go out a.s.a.p. - substantial changes, bugs, etc. are in version 1.2
15:54:25 <ivan> +1 to DavidC
15:54:29 <MKupjetz> everything else in version 2
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15:55:36 <MKupjetz> brent: any question?
15:56:06 <MKupjetz> manu: will merge @pr 774 once the update has been made, comment added
15:56:11 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/722
15:56:29 <MKupjetz> manu: discuss @pr 772 - simple not classification from Ted, purely editorial
15:56:40 <ivan> subtopic: @pr 772
15:56:42 <MKupjetz> manu: rewording some language related to "JWT claim"
15:57:08 <DavidC> q+
15:57:10 <MKupjetz> brent: switch labels from "PossibleErratum" to "Errata"
15:57:31 <MKupjetz> brent: note to the team - the labels work in some automated processes
15:57:33 <brent> ack DavidC
15:57:52 <kdenhartog> q+ brent, is that PR only for the automated tool or issues as well?
15:57:57 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/vc-data-model/pull/723
15:58:05 <ivan> subtopic: @pr 723
15:58:18 <MKupjetz> manu: discuss @pr 723 - various clarified "phrases" - related to "JWT claims"
15:59:03 <MKupjetz> manu: some details need to be review to make sure this does not impact, after it is determined it may/may not be merged
15:59:17 <MKupjetz> manu: @pr 723 is ready to go
15:59:45 <MKupjetz> brent: encourage team members to jump in and review the issues and labels
16:00:30 <MKupjetz> brent: Thank you for attending the meeting - open to feedback from team members
16:01:30 <ivan> rrsagent, draft minutes
16:01:30 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/14-vcwg-minutes.html ivan
16:02:44 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:02:44 <RRSAgent> I see no action items