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19:50:03 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:50:03 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2021
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19:52:28 <riccardoAlbertoni__> Agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.09
19:56:49 <riccardoAlbertoni__> present+
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19:58:08 <riccardoAlbertoni__> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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19:58:39 <riccardoAlbertoni__> regrets+ alejandra
19:58:46 <riccardoAlbertoni__> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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19:59:21 <riccardoAlbertoni__> regrets: Alejandra
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20:09:53 <AndreaPerego> trackbot, start meeting
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20:09:58 <riccardoAlbertoni__> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:09:59 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:09:59 <trackbot> Date: 09 June 2021
20:10:10 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:10:14 <AndreaPerego> meeting: DCAT subgroup meeting
20:10:20 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
20:10:29 <riccardoAlbertoni__> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:10:34 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve last meeting minutes
20:10:37 <riccardoAlbertoni__> +1
20:11:15 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:11:23 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:42 <riccardoAlbertoni__> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/05/26-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:11:50 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:11:50 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/06/09-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:12:04 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
20:12:08 <riccardoAlbertoni__> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.06.09
20:12:17 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Do we want to do any changes?
20:12:30 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Not me
20:12:38 <AndreaPerego> DaveBrowning: Fine with me
20:12:48 <riccardoAlbertoni__> TOPIC: Should we move future teleconference on ZOOM or others systems?
20:13:08 <AndreaPerego> topic: Teleconf system
20:13:12 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:13:23 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Should we move away from WebEx?
20:13:47 <AndreaPerego> ... Asking every time the host code is not very handy.
20:14:05 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we use zoom instead?
20:14:17 <riccardoAlbertoni__> PROPOSED: we move to zoom for future teleconferences (so that we do not have to ask for webex host code every meeting).
20:14:20 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:14:22 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:14:24 <riccardoAlbertoni__> +1
20:14:49 <riccardoAlbertoni__> resolved:we move to zoom for future teleconferences (so that we do not have to ask for webex host code every meeting).
20:15:11 <riccardoAlbertoni__> TOPIC: Issues related to dcat:theme and dcat:keywords
20:15:22 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:15:40 <riccardoAlbertoni__> Subtopic: dcat:keyword subproperty of dcterms:subject, Issues https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1374    and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/175 :
20:16:42 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:16:53 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack AndreaPerego
20:19:17 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Because now dcterms:subject has no range restriction, it could be also used by literals, so the issue can be probably dropped.
20:19:35 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Not sure that this implies that dcterms:subject could be used with literals.
20:21:09 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Yes, there are two issues here. The first one is about removing the subproperty relation.
20:21:24 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:22:10 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack AndreaPerego
20:30:20 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I think the range can be safely dropped. I'm very much concerned about interoperability issues if we have properties that can be used with both literals and URI refs.
20:30:56 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Yes, but on the DCAT side we specialise this, so we shouldn't have such issues.
20:32:36 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:32:44 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack AndreaPerego
20:37:29 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Looking at the usage note in DCTERMS, mentioned by Antoine, I don't see an explicit statement about the fact that dcterms:subject can be used directly with literals.
20:37:59 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: So, let's keep on discussing this on GH.
20:38:13 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:38:18 <riccardoAlbertoni__> Subtopic::coherence between dcat:themeTaxonomy and dcat:theme. (Issues https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1364 and https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1153 )
20:39:28 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: The issue is about consistency of the range restrictions of dcat:theme and dcat:themeTaxonomy.
20:40:47 <AndreaPerego> ... Last time we decided to add a note about compatibility of owl:Class's and skos:Concept's.
20:41:04 <riccardoAlbertoni__>  https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1380
20:42:30 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: There was also a discussion, where Simon was proposing to drop the range restriction, and explain the recommended use in the usage note.
20:42:36 <riccardoAlbertoni__> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1379
20:42:51 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Do you have any preference between the two PRs?
20:42:59 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:43:09 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack andrea
20:52:39 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: Fine for me to drop the range restriction and make them owl:ObjectProperty's, but we should make it clear that the use of these properties has not changed, and that we are just fixing a bug.
20:52:49 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: So we can add a note to make it clear.
20:52:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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20:53:09 <DaveBrowning> +1 to all of that
20:54:17 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: There's an ancillary issue - in the RDF we defined owl:ObjectProperty's, but we didn't make this explicit.
20:55:01 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we make the spec more consistent with the RDF.
20:55:02 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:55:10 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack AndreaPerego
20:59:25 <riccardoAlbertoni__>  TOPIC: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1362 - Following the recommendation to use dct:type prevents using SKOS-based reference datasets or standard RDF typing
20:59:41 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: We can add a row "Type" saying whether this is a owl:DatatypeProperty or a owl:ObjectProperty.
20:59:55 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Let's go that way.
21:00:50 <AndreaPerego> riccardoAlbertoni__: Issue #1362 was basically addressed by the DCMI Usage Board. So Antoine proposes to close it.
21:01:57 <AndreaPerego> ... Should we close it, or go on with the discussion?
21:01:59 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:04:02 <riccardoAlbertoni__> ack AndreaPerego
21:07:24 <AndreaPerego> AndreaPerego: I think we can add a comment saying that, unless there are still open issues, we will close it.
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21:09:43 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
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