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19:52:27 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:52:27 <trackbot> Date: 26 May 2021
19:52:40 <RiccardoAlbertoni> present+
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19:55:40 <RiccardoAlbertoni> regrets+ PeterWinstanley
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19:58:46 <RiccardoAlbertoni> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.05.26
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20:07:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> 7me alejandra we are meeting on  meet.google.com/ywn-krwh-pjp
20:08:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> s/7///
20:09:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:09:40 <DaveBrowning> present+
20:09:43 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:10:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni> scribe: DaveBrowning
20:10:11 <alejandra> present+
20:10:23 <RiccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:10:27 <DaveBrowning> topic: Minutes of last meeting
20:10:29 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:10:35 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:10:37 <alejandra> +0 (absent)
20:10:42 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:10:50 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/04/28-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:10:53 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:11:05 <RiccardoAlbertoni>  https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.05.26
20:11:29 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
20:11:34 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:11:37 <DaveBrowning> +1
20:11:41 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +1
20:11:47 <DaveBrowning> resolved:  Agenda approved
20:12:26 <DaveBrowning> topic: Accessibility Considerations
20:12:28 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1358
20:12:35 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:13:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1373
20:13:28 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: request to add specific section, and I have drafted a pull request (early draft)
20:13:46 <AndreaPerego> Link to relevant section: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue-1358/dcat/index.html#accessibility
20:14:08 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: Matches what was asked for (superficially) - but should we go further
20:14:31 <DaveBrowning> ... haven't added any detailed guidance
20:14:48 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/dxwg/dcat-issue-1358/dcat/index.html
20:14:56 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: Any views or comments
20:15:03 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:15:14 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:16:03 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Somewhat puzzled by the request, have tried to think of alternatives, didn't come up with anything
20:16:26 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:16:31 <DaveBrowning> q+
20:16:49 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:17:05 <alejandra> +q
20:17:15 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Is this really in scope?  Is it more about publishing (so DWBP rather than DCAT)
20:18:11 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Only thing we have in the requirements is a request to add thumbnail (for geospatial)
20:18:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:19:10 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack DaveBrowning
20:19:13 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Perhaps we could consider how the metadata could be read?
20:22:05 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:23:08 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:23:18 <DaveBrowning> DaveBrowning: Concerned that we will need to do something in the examples
20:23:58 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: They have only really asked for something equivalent to what we did for Security etc
20:24:27 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: we probably need to go back to them for a bit more guidance/clarification
20:25:11 <DaveBrowning> ... have looked for other examples/standards (eg JSON-LD) and can't find anything
20:25:18 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:25:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:25:48 <DaveBrowning> +1 to suggestion that we ask,
20:26:11 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: We can point back to our draft section....
20:26:38 <RiccardoAlbertoni> +q
20:28:06 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack RiccardoAlbertoni
20:28:16 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: We already have descriptions (textual) for some of the URLs(e.g for distributions) in the metadata....
20:28:37 <alejandra> adding some other of my comments from before - perhaps we could consider a new property on the distributions for the alternative text
20:29:21 <alejandra> ... but as the issue is around a section at the same level of Security and Privacy, perhaps they want us to raise awareness of data accessibility by mentioning it, as Riccardo did in the proposal
20:31:35 <AndreaPerego> action: RiccardoAlbertoni to ask for feedback in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1358 on accessibility section
20:31:35 <trackbot> Created ACTION-450 - Ask for feedback in https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1358 on accessibility section [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2021-06-02].
20:31:46 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:31:59 <RiccardoAlbertoni> Issues #1364 and #1153 related to dcat:theme
20:32:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1364
20:32:19 <DaveBrowning> topic: Issues on dcat:theme
20:32:24 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1153
20:32:31 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:32:57 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: Some discussion on changing the range of dcat:theme
20:33:07 <RiccardoAlbertoni> see example, in the Revhttps://www.w3.org/TR/2009/REC-skos-reference-20090818/#L896
20:33:50 <AndreaPerego> s/in the Rev/in /
20:34:22 <DaveBrowning> ... some concern that even if allowed by REC that we are putting as object both instance and class
20:34:33 <alejandra> +q
20:34:33 <DaveBrowning> ... not clear on the impact
20:34:53 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:34:55 <DaveBrowning> ... tried with Protege and didn't cause a problem
20:35:02 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:35:29 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:36:08 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: 2 possible solutions - either use owl classes as object or alternatively use union of skos concept and owl class...
20:36:27 <DaveBrowning> ... could be useful to clarify that both could be expected
20:36:55 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:36:55 <AndreaPerego> I think this issue is more or less about the same point: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1362
20:37:54 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Interesting issue.  We do need to clarify.  If we allow owl classes then we need to explain that its okay by usage note or other comment
20:39:03 <DaveBrowning> ... discussion on dcterm:subject is also relevent.  (History of the evolution of DC is kind of lost)
20:39:22 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:39:25 <DaveBrowning> ... Need to make this clear
20:39:26 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:40:56 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Yes, it needs to be clarified.  Looking at how its used - theme tends to be thematic 'environment'; 'public sector', essentially the main topic
20:41:27 <DaveBrowning> ... Generally we try to be inclusive and different groups do different things
20:42:04 <DaveBrowning> ... They have their own ways and we risk creating confusions.
20:43:08 <DaveBrowning> ...  Could include owl individuals, but as said - people are using DCAT as owl ontology, but although we do use owl DCAT wasn't designed to be used like that
20:43:41 <DaveBrowning> ... A lot of these issues could be resolved via SHACL or profile ...
20:44:37 <DaveBrowning> ...  We do have conficting issues raised
20:45:25 <DaveBrowning> ... Different communities pulling in different directions
20:46:02 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: People are confusing that range: is really guidance not a constraint
20:46:54 <DaveBrowning> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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20:47:46 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:48:11 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: To summarise - is the feeling that we should explain more?
20:48:55 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: We risk upsetting one party if we change/say anything, so we need to something more
20:50:14 <alejandra> +q
20:50:19 <AndreaPerego> q-
20:50:30 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:50:39 <RiccardoAlbertoni> q?
20:51:25 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: If we add clarification, but ranges are guidance.  Are you suggesting adding to RDF?
20:52:06 <alejandra> +q
20:52:17 <RiccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
20:52:30 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: I was suggesting both, but now think we should go for the lightweight touch of note only
20:55:18 <alejandra> https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/#ex-conformance-test-results-earl
20:55:18 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Example 48...
20:56:32 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/blob/836b201802c0859c20bd066816e0c2cebb239f12/dcat/rdf/dcat3.ttl#L1034
20:57:10 <alejandra> so, is this a bug? https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/blob/836b201802c0859c20bd066816e0c2cebb239f12/dcat/rdf/dcat3.ttl#L1034
20:57:42 <AndreaPerego> Issue about dc:subject and dcat:keyword: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/175
20:59:50 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: So looks like the ttl needs fixing.
21:00:33 <DaveBrowning> ... What should we be adding to the examples to explain?
21:00:58 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: I'll raise an issue for the errata
21:02:16 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: I'll put together a draft for the clarification and  we can review.  Key is we don't want to change the range of  dcat:themes
21:02:21 <DaveBrowning> ... yet
21:02:32 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:03:01 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1370
21:03:45 <RiccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/164
21:05:19 <DaveBrowning> alejandra: Thought we weren't doing the alignments?
21:06:30 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Part of the idea was to see if people would want to collaborate on alignments, but not in the standard.  Do we want an 'official' place?
21:07:00 <DaveBrowning> RiccardoAlbertoni: Might be a good idea.  github wiki or W3C?
21:07:42 <alejandra> I will follow up - and I agree to put the link for reference (but won't go into the spec)
21:09:10 <DaveBrowning> AndreaPerego: Main collection point is on the W3 page
21:10:19 <DaveBrowning> AOB: none
21:10:28 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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21:11:19 <RiccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
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