IRC log of wot-td on 2021-05-19

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Meeting: WoT-WG - TD-TF
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura
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present+ Klaus_Hartke, Michael_Koster
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present+ Taki_Kamiya, Daniel_Peintner, Ege_Korkan
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regrets+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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present+ Michael_McCool
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Scribe: TK
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ScribeNick: taki
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agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/WG_WoT_Thing_Description_WebConf#May_19.2C_2021
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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14:09:27 [taki]
TK: minutes were accepted from last week.
14:09:37 [kaz]
i/minutes/topic: Minutes/
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i|minutes|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/12-wot-td-minutes.html May-12|
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topic: Debriefing from the main call
14:10:13 [taki]
McCool: acstraction intro and change log were merged.
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s/acst/abst/
14:10:26 [taki]
McCool: made correction to abstract.
14:10:36 [taki]
McCool: changed wording mistake.
14:10:57 [taki]
McCool: basically ready waiting for sebastian's change to changelog.
14:11:09 [kaz]
i|intro|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-wot-minutes.html#t09 TD discussion during the main call|
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s/abstraction/abstract/
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present+ Cristiano_Aguzzi
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TOPIC: PR# 1147
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1147 PR 1147 - PR including the comments
14:17:58 [taki]
McCool: At risk part needs to be taken care of after CR.
14:18:27 [taki]
McCool: At risk part needs work after CR.
14:19:01 [kaz]
s/after /before /
14:19:16 [kaz]
kaz: this is for an updated WD not CR, so should be OK
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i/this/scribenick: kaz/
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TK: PR# 1147 was merged.
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i/1147/scribenick: taki/
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14:22:02 [kaz]
kaz: my only question is relationship between this PR's update and the candidate draft
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/tree/wd-update-candidate candidate draft for updated WD
14:27:23 [dape]
q+
14:27:26 [taki]
Kaz to check if the spec is clean on wd-update-candidate2 branch.
14:27:57 [taki]
DP: I still see broken links in the spec.
14:28:33 [taki]
Kaz: we can check in static version first, then fix broken links.
14:32:00 [kaz]
-> https://validator.w3.org/checklink Link checker
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Kaz: DP can fix links directly on the branch.
14:33:26 [taki]
DP: Should it be which branch?
14:33:50 [taki]
Kaz: ideally to both branches.
14:34:27 [taki]
DP: I will ping others after fixing links.
14:35:10 [taki]
McCool: Fix rendered version, and merge the changes back in.
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Kaz: Please take a look at possible errors, and can discuss what to do else on Friday.
14:36:53 [taki]
Use case document clean up was already done by Kaz.
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s/Kaz./Kaz, but PR to be done for applying the changes back to the respec draft./
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14:43:04 [kaz]
s/McCool: At risk part needs work before CR.//
14:43:22 [kaz]
s/care of after CR./care of before CR./
14:43:50 [taki]
McCool: Chunked transfer is needed in directory use case.
14:44:09 [taki]
McCool: HTTP use case needs to be able to handle it.
14:44:12 [kaz]
i/taken care of/kaz: there are only two lines mentioning "features at-risk" but is that OK?/
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14:44:52 [taki]
Ege: devices that generates big data can choose to output as a stream.
14:44:55 [kaz]
s/there are only two/scribebick: kaz/
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14:45:12 [taki]
McCool: HTTP 1.1 and 2.0 have different mechanisms.
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i|my only question is|scribenick: kaz|
14:45:59 [taki]
McCool: images and videos are big, and videos are unlimited length.
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s/kaz: scribebick: kaz/kaz: there are only two/
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14:47:20 [taki]
Koster: chunking can be used on HTTP, but chunking itself does not mean streaming.
14:47:44 [taki]
McCool: pagination and chunking are different.
14:48:06 [taki]
McCool: chunking does not mean structure.
14:48:33 [kaz]
s/both branches./both branches, but you can create yet another branch for publication like Taki did for "wd-update-candidate2"/
14:48:38 [McCool]
q+
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i|but is that OK?|scribenick: kaz|
14:49:20 [taki]
cristiano: HTTP provides chunking. if protocol does not support chunking, then server still want to make chunks, so streaming can be useful.
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q?
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ack dape
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i|At risk part needs|scribenick: taki|
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McCool: "streaming" is a hint.
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i|Kaz to check if|scribebick: taki|
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14:50:38 [taki]
McCool: we can check contenttype can use any options for chunking.
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McCool: such as streaming=true
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Koster: it depends on protocols. HTTP has a way to do.
14:52:03 [kaz]
i|Chunked transfer|topic: Issue 1044|
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McCool: HTTP2 uses different mechanism.
14:52:21 [kaz]
i|Chunked transfer|-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/issues/1044 Issue 1044 - Adding term to indicate a stream of data|
14:53:04 [taki]
McCool: we can capture this dicussion in the issue.
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McCool: we can also take a look at alternatives such as contenttype.
14:54:09 [taki]
Koster: CoAP only has blocking.
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Koster: but it is not continuous.
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q+
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cristiano: streaming can make TD handling complex.
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McCool: protocol binding can also cover this aspect.
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McCool: each protocol can define what streaming=true means.
14:56:38 [kaz]
ack m
14:57:09 [taki]
Ege: When I opened the issue, I heard some people need this. We can keep this issue open and try to solve it going forward.
14:58:06 [taki]
Kaz: we can clarify media use cases first, which is a complex task. We can address this in 2.0.
14:58:46 [taki]
cristiano: scripting support is just basic now. we can wait till 2.0.
14:59:10 [kaz]
s/first, which is/first (like video streaming using MEPG-DASH or HLS) but that would be/
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s/scribebick/scribenick/
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[adjourned]
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