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15:58:48 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:58:48 <trackbot> Date: 19 May 2021
15:58:54 <becky> agenda?
15:59:00 <becky> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements;
15:59:00 <becky> agenda+ TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings
15:59:00 <becky> agenda+ Task Force Updates;
15:59:00 <becky> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:59:01 <becky> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:59:01 <becky> agenda+	Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:59:02 <becky> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:59:02 <becky> agenda+ CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues
15:59:02 <becky> agenda+	Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned
15:59:02 <becky> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:59:04 <becky> agenda+ Other Business
15:59:04 <becky> agenda+ be done
15:59:13 <becky> chair: becky
16:00:40 <janina> present+
16:00:42 <paul_grenier> present+
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16:01:05 <becky> regrets, Gottfried Zimmerman, Amy Carney
16:01:16 <janina> regrets+ Michael_Cooper
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16:02:21 <JF> agenda?
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16:02:34 <JF> Present+
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16:03:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
16:04:06 <becky> present+
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16:04:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel
16:04:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
16:04:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:04:51 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements; -- taken up [from becky]
16:05:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:05:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, Lionel_Wolberger
16:06:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:06:00 <Zakim> agendum 1 closed
16:06:01 <Zakim> I see 11 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:06:01 <Zakim> 2. TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings [from becky]
16:06:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:06:05 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- TPAC Planning https://www.w3.org/wiki/TPAC/2021/GroupMeetings -- taken up [from becky]
16:06:31 <Fazio_> COGA?
16:10:01 <Fazio_> q+
16:10:47 <becky> ack faz
16:11:06 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel: APA may want to consider reminding Personalization, pronunciation, etc to clarify TPAC plans
16:11:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: The earlier the TPAC meetings are set, the better
16:11:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... APA tends to have the most cross org meetings
16:11:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Any other TFs/WGs to remind and coax?
16:11:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: ZAUR, RAUR, Research questions
16:12:02 <JF> Q+
16:12:10 <becky> ack JF
16:12:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Web Payments group, Automotive interest group. Many groups may need reminders that we are here to help
16:13:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: True. There is a draft from Fredrik
16:13:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Reminding everyone, automotive asked APA what does APA want in the not-quite-fully-automated automobile
16:13:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
16:14:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Rephrasing: is there any proactive reachout that we can do?
16:14:41 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We could go from A-Z on groups that are attending TPAC. For each group we need to announce the agenda that we wish to promote with that group.
16:14:53 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is why it is easier to start with TFs
16:15:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Media Groups have some follow-ups
16:15:46 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... likely drafting a note on acceptable tolerances on audio/video synchronization, based on evidence-based research
16:15:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... the above has implications for WCAG 3.0 and perhaps 2.3
16:16:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Research questions is expected to revert this answer
16:16:32 <becky> ack lionel
16:18:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: OGC is also interesting (geospatial) though maps are quite challenging
16:18:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:18:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 closed
16:18:22 <Zakim> I see 10 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:18:22 <Zakim> 3. Task Force Updates; [from becky]
16:18:26 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:18:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates; -- taken up [from becky]
16:19:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> Irfan: pronunciation TF, the draft has been published
16:19:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... now creating the proposal to submit to varioua conferences
16:19:34 <JF> Converences: https://github.com/w3c/pronunciation/wiki/Socialization
16:19:46 <janina> https://www.w3.org/blog/news/archives/9062
16:20:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... also receiving feedback from COGA and others
16:20:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We are very interested in getting wide review of this
16:21:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... text-to-speech engines do not currently have any way to assure correct pronunciation
16:21:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this work is needed
16:22:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: Personalization continued discussion of the need for three attributes (action, destination, purpose) and the discussion is converging
16:22:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: In Research Questions Task Force (RQTF) discussion of captions
16:23:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... there were captions and live sign language on the meeting
16:24:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> Joshue108: Was great to have collaboration across such a broad and diverse group
16:25:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> David_F: A11y impact statement begun
16:26:43 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:26:43 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:26:44 <Zakim> I see 9 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:26:44 <Zakim> 4. FAST Progress [from becky]
16:26:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:26:51 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from becky]
16:28:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> Joshue108: Next step, looking towards a survey that will go to Silver and APA
16:28:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:28:33 <Zakim> agendum 4 closed
16:28:34 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:28:34 <Zakim> 5. New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 [from becky]
16:28:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:28:35 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from becky]
16:29:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: postpone review until Michael is attending.
16:29:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:29:09 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:29:10 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:29:10 <Zakim> 6. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from becky]
16:29:12 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:29:12 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from becky]
16:29:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: postpone review until Michael is attending.
16:29:25 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:29:25 <Zakim> agendum 6 closed
16:29:26 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:29:26 <Zakim> 7. new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html [from becky]
16:29:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:29:27 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from becky]
16:29:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: postpone review until Michael is attending.
16:30:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:30:02 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:30:03 <Zakim> I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:30:03 <Zakim> 8. CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues [from becky]
16:30:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:30:04 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- CSS Update (Amy) https://github.com/w3c/css-a11y/issues -- taken up [from becky]
16:30:19 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: postpone review until Amy can attend this meeting
16:30:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, close this item
16:30:21 <Zakim> agendum 8 closed
16:30:22 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:30:22 <Zakim> 9. Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned [from becky]
16:30:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, take up next
16:30:23 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- Dangling Spec Review Cleanup: https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Category:Spec_Review_Assigned -- taken up [from becky]
16:31:46 <becky> this is the start of the payments policy thread, there were several replies:  https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-apa/2021May/0028.html
16:35:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Discussing Payment Request API
16:35:37 <Fredrik> q+
16:36:13 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Fredrik's work is a good template
16:36:46 <JF> Q+
16:39:01 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Giving feedback: instead of 'guarantee' privilege terms like 'ensure'
16:41:00 <becky> q?
16:42:04 <becky> ack Fredrik
16:42:14 <becky> ack JF
16:42:21 <janina> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Payment_Request_API
16:42:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> Discussion on payment methods API
16:43:08 <JF> https://www.w3.org/Payments/
16:44:20 <JF> Explainer (of sorts): https://www.w3.org/blog/2020/05/payments-and-authentication-driving-toward-a-whole-greater-than-parts/
16:45:01 <JF> Q+
16:45:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: There is an a11y statement
16:45:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... "For the user-facing aspects of Payment Request API, implementations integrate with platform accessibility APIs via form controls and other input modalities. Furthermore, to increase the intelligibility of total, shipping addresses, and contact information, implementations format data according to system conventions."
16:45:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> https://www.w3.org/TR/payment-request/#accessibility-considerations
16:46:54 <becky> ack JF
16:51:38 <becky> https://www.w3.org/TR/payment-request/#examples-of-usage
16:52:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> Discussion of payment, e.g., reading " Some kind of user interface will be presented to the user to facilitate the payment request after the show() method returns."
16:53:43 <Irfan> present+
16:53:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: APA states that you cannot duck a11y just be saying, we do not specify the UI/UX
16:54:14 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... "in some jurisdictions you will be legally required to..."
16:54:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: We state that our response still makes sense
16:55:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: We need more time on this, let's continue discussion next time
16:56:34 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: Looking at https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Permissions_Policy
16:57:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... This could have a11y impacts, like disabling javascript when someone is relying on that
16:57:55 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... they also discuss sensors: some people rely on adjusting sensors to make a personalized experience
16:58:09 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... USB changes could affect AT users, who may be running their AT off a USB
16:58:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... from web app security working group
16:59:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... security has an interest in turning things off
17:02:15 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Can we make a statement like, "disabling capabiliteiies and/or devices such as sensors, interfaces, autoplay and other features may affect users relying on personalization or assistive technology. A screen reader working off a USB device could be stopped; on the other hand, a user of AT could enable their AT by auto play."
17:02:47 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: To be discussed further
17:03:07 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
17:03:07 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been janina, paul_grenier, IanPouncey, JF, Fazio_, Lionel_Wolberger, becky, Fredrik, Irfan
17:03:09 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:03:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-apa-minutes.html Zakim
17:03:12 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Lionel_Wolberger; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:03:42 <becky> agenda?
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18:06:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, end meeting
18:07:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, create minutes
18:07:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/05/19-apa-minutes.html Lionel_Wolberger
18:08:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> rrsagent, please part
18:08:22 <RRSAgent> I see no action items