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17:40:17 <Zakim> Meeting: Automotive Working Group Teleconference
17:40:30 <tguild> agenda+ Welcome Carine
17:40:41 <tguild> agenda+ Recharter approved and logistics
17:40:57 <tguild> agenda+ Call schedule
17:41:15 <tguild> agenda+ advancing Publications
17:41:26 <tguild> scribe+
17:41:34 <tguild> Chair: Peter, Ted
17:41:38 <tguild> Present+ Ted
17:42:02 <tguild> Scribe: Ted
17:46:22 <tguild> agenda+ GENIVI AMM reaction
17:46:25 <tguild> agenda+ open issues
18:01:09 <tguild> Present+ Ashish, Arman, Peter, Rudi
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18:01:46 <tguild> Present+ Ulf
18:02:00 <tguild> Present+ Adnan
18:02:08 <tguild> Present+ Erik
18:02:12 <tguild> Present+ Gunnar
18:02:21 <tguild> Present+ Glenn
18:03:53 <tguild> Present+ Carine
18:05:29 <tguild> Present+ MagnusG
18:06:33 <tguild> [introductions]
18:14:27 <tguild> @@1
18:17:28 <tguild> Ted: @@2
18:18:26 <tguild> Rudi: the time is good for me on West Coast
18:18:43 <tguild> Ted: we need something friendly for CEST and PDT
18:18:54 <tguild> Ulf: it is good for me
18:19:04 <tguild> Arman: one hour later would be better with kids' bedtime
18:19:23 <tguild> Ulf: I would prefer earlier than later
18:19:39 <tguild> Adnan: good for me
18:19:55 <tguild> Gunnar: good for me and use to it
18:20:04 <tguild> Carine: not too bad for me, would also prefer hour later
18:20:47 <tguild> Ted: Sebastian suggested this time was bad for him but we have Erik
18:20:58 <tguild> Erik: we will make it work
18:22:38 <tguild> Ted: should we have a 2 hour meeting - combine the VSS/VSSo and Auto WG call in one with people attending section they need to be at?
18:22:52 <tguild> Ulf: I'd rather keep it like it is, having people drop would be distracting
18:23:20 <tguild> Peter: agree with Ulf, separation helpful even if it causes people to be late on occasion
18:25:47 <tguild> Ted: any thoughts on the various breakout calls, too many?
18:26:09 <tguild> Gunnar: we should see how things evolve, may want to increase VSC (RPC)
18:26:26 <tguild> agenda+ VSC
18:28:26 <tguild> PLH
18:28:56 <tguild> @@summary
18:33:38 <tguild> Carine: we should talk to Philippe more but there are two strategies, stay at CR indefinitely and even evolve it or move to REC
18:34:01 <tguild> Peter: we are more focused on the next generation, if there is work necessary on previous it might not happen
18:34:41 <tguild> Carine: depends on when the next generation is really going to take over and whether we want to drop the previous one
18:35:21 <tguild> .if it is going to be considerable amount of time or not fully replacing then maybe better to keep it
18:35:54 <tguild> .some do minor iterations at CR but runs risk of incompatibilities or incomplete test suite
18:39:10 <tguild> Ted: Philippe also encouraged us to publish v2 as FPWD and not worry about trying to align with Bosch and Renesas since we incorporate changes from them later
18:40:35 <tguild> Carine: is it a minor improvement or vastly different
18:40:50 <tguild> Ted: not fully backward compatible and adds a fair amount @@Link
18:41:33 <tguild> Peter: I wanted to see if there were any thoughts from that meeting, I was not able to attend much myself
18:41:41 <tguild> .believe Ulf did a demo
18:42:09 <tguild> Ulf: yes, I demo'd our VISS server used in CCS project in addition to the whole stack from vehicle to db in cloud
18:42:24 <tguild> .ran our HTTP solution, WebSocket and experimental MQTT
18:42:45 <tguild> .you can probably find video for it, believe most presentations were recorded
18:43:04 <tguild> .I thought there were quite a few very interesting presentations and worthwhile for people to look at them
18:43:20 <tguild> Gunnar: we have most of the recordings and will dig up link and drop in chat
18:43:41 <tguild> .we had pretty full content on a number of different areas within CVII and other areas
18:43:49 <tguild> .some good keynote speakers
18:43:56 <tguild> .we also had a security track
18:44:35 <tguild> Peter: how was online format?
18:45:15 <tguild> Gunnar: disasterous the first day, issue with our platform and doing some re-recordings
18:45:38 <tguild> @@recordings
18:47:57 <tguild> Present+ Marty
18:53:28 <tguild> https://github.com/w3c/automotive/issues/385
18:53:45 <tguild> Erik: we have been discussing is some aspects of VISSv2 should be optional
18:54:15 <tguild> .should we have a generic concept that is mandatory in order to have compatibility and be seen as a VISS server
18:54:40 <tguild> .if that is the case we need to be able to make clear to clients what the compatibilities are
18:56:51 <tguild> Ted: @@agree but minimal and would need discovery
18:57:33 <tguild> Ulf: agree we can have a base line of mandatory components but then need something in the protocol for the client to understand what is supported
18:58:05 <tguild> .we need to figure out a solution for that and give client a straight answer as to what is available without having to figure things out by trying and receiving errors
18:58:22 <tguild> .that is inefficient, inelegant
18:58:37 <tguild> MagnusG: I agree that would cause needless traffic to client and server
19:01:45 <tguild> [adjourned]
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19:48:33 <tguild> s/@@2/we have all these breakout calls, some less attended and VSS+VSSo call preceding this meeting and wonder if we should refactor it somewhat. I'll pose to group mailing list too since this time likely not good for some who may otherwise attend/
19:51:19 <tguild> s/PLH/Ted: Philippe Le Hegaret who does project management across the W3C WG and I met to discuss transition and state of things. He is advising us to proceed with bringing VISSv1 towards REC and we can choose to stay in CR if we get too much work coming from horizontal review (privacy, security, internationalization, accessibility)/
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19:54:06 <tguild> s/@@agree but minimal and would need discovery/agree to having optional features in general, want to be careful which in particular and we would need some form of discovery for clients to be able to understand what is available/
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