Meeting minutes
<Dan_B> Cary: Subgroup met last week to talk about text descriptions on mechanisms
<Dan_B> Cary: made a fair amount of headway thanks to Stefan K!
<Dan_B> Stefan: We wanted to try to develop a set of rules...these would work for a complex description of a complicated mechanism. This way, we could take this back to simpler mechs.
<Dan_B> Stefan: We think we have a set that works. Now, do we begin the work on extending these or something else?
<Dan_B> Stefan: for example, do we want to develop an
<Dan_B> "expert" mode? Or do we want to work on want to move on to organic chemistry?
<Dan_B> Stefan: so the big question is what we want to do next?
<Dan_B> Stefan/Cary: So the question is "What direction do we want to move?"
<Dan_B> Kumar: What do we mean by General/Organic reactions?
<Dan_B> Stefan: We meant talking either basic stoich relationships without structure or include structure as we would in organic chem?
<Dan_B> Elaine: Probably better to stay in general chem....
<Dan_B> Dan B: I think we should move on to organic.
<Dan_B> Stefan: An expert mode for gen chem might have a greater impact on more students.
<Dan_B> Higher percentage of students take gen chem.
<Dan_B> Kumar: Better to concentrate on general chem reactions and tighten it up.
<Dan_B> Cary: Was appointed to the math working group, so it would be good to go back to the general chemistry.
<Dan_B> Eleanor: Where does the expert mode come in?
<Dan_B> Stefan: faster way to approach the material. Students don't need all the addtional explanations.
<Dan_B> (Discussion on what an expert mode woud "look like.")
<Dan_B> Group: This might a very short detour (i.e., the expert mode), but it wouldc have a big impact.
<Dan_B> Volker: Would like us to explore further work with reactions, because there is fairly little about reactions descriptions....much on how to describe formulas. And how we can tackle it represetnationally.
<Dan_B> Group: While orgo work could take "years," perhaps coming up with the rules might no take so long.
<Dan_B> Stefan: Basically, for orgo, we're talking about an entire new language for orgo.
<Dan_B> Stefan: There's just a lot there.
<Dan_B> Tzviya: From a publisher perspective, this would mean shifting the way publications are marked up?
<Dan_B> Tzviya: This would tough for people to do. Who would have the expertise?
<Dan_B> Volker: Sure, there will be some work needed by the publishers, but it would be more of a copyediting job.
<Dan_B> Kumar: Currently the author is not much in the alt text mode.
<Dan_B> Kumar: alt text given by an api and then there's "review" and editing.
<Dan_B> George: If we can get a fundamental understanding for HS and Col, then we have a foundation. Again, advocate for research funding.
<Dan_B> Volker: Looking at some chem (libre text) would like someone to look at these with him and talk about how we could hand these.
<Dan_B> Eleanor: Thinking the same thing....what are the rules for the AI to describe some mechanisms.
<Dan_B> Stefan:
<Dan_B> Where do these rules go? Does it go into mathml? Assume it would be open sourced.....
<Dan_B> Volker: Think it's more important to lay down general rules and not restrict yourself to one thing.
<Dan_B> Volker: We need something that can grow.
<Dan_B> Cary: Should have a meeting to investigate the expert mode concept.
<Dan_B> Cary: Subgroup meeting May 20th same time 12 EDT
<Dan_B> Cary: June 3 12pm EST for next chem meeting.