IRC log of aria-apg on 2021-04-27

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logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-irc
17:31:58 [Matt_King]
zakim, clear agenda
17:31:58 [Zakim]
agenda cleared
17:34:52 [Matt_King]
MEETING: aria Authoring Practices Task Force
17:54:27 [Jemma]
present+
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agenda+ Setup and review agenda
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agenda+ APG redesign project
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agenda+ accordion example
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agenda+ slider example
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agenda+ APG index and coverage report
17:58:40 [Matt_King]
rrsagent , make log public
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CHAIR: Jemma
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present+
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
18:01:03 [Jemma]
zakim, make log public
18:01:03 [Zakim]
I don't understand 'make log public', Jemma
18:01:15 [Matt_King]
rrsagent, make log public
18:04:03 [sarah_higley]
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present+
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agenda?
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regrets+
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present+
18:07:50 [Jemma]
zakim, take up next
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agendum 1 -- Setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:08:13 [Jemma]
bryan's question will be answered by Jon
18:08:19 [Jemma]
zakim, take up next
18:08:19 [Zakim]
agendum 1 was just opened, Jemma
18:08:33 [Jemma]
zakim, take up agendum 2
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agendum 2 -- APG redesign project -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:09:15 [Jemma]
summary by Matt
18:09:22 [carmacleod]
mck: new design template for WAI resources, including WCAG and all supporting documents
18:09:29 [Jemma]
scibe: Carolyn
18:09:36 [carmacleod]
scribe: carmacleod
18:10:06 [carmacleod]
mck: so we are going to collaborate on the template
18:10:40 [Jemma]
zakim, take up agendum 3
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agendum 3 -- accordion example -- taken up [from Jemma]
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present+
18:11:33 [carmacleod]
Jemma: need to choose between 2 accordion examples. any feedback?
18:11:52 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-defaults/examples/accordion/accordion.html
18:11:59 [Jemma]
option 1
18:12:00 [carmacleod]
mck: Sarah, can you summarize differences between option 1 and option 2?
18:12:20 [carmacleod]
sarah_higley: There's a link missing - I'll find it
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option 2 : https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion-group.html
18:13:15 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1834
18:13:20 [carmacleod]
sarah_higley: 2 different behaviors are: any accordion can be open or closed; or only one can be open at a time
18:13:38 [sarah_higley]
Here's option 1 with two different examples: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion.html and https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-step-example/examples/accordion/accordion-group.html
18:14:19 [sarah_higley]
Here's option 2, with a checkbox to switch behavior on a single example: https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/accordion-checkbox/examples/accordion/accordion.html
18:14:24 [carmacleod]
mck: To be clear, option one has 2 example pages in the APG
18:15:26 [carmacleod]
mck: I have a strong opinion, but I want to hear others' opinions
18:16:38 [carmacleod]
sarah_higley: I have a slight preference for independent example pages, because then the examples can be more realistic - more like what you would see in the wild
18:18:09 [carmacleod]
mck: I like separate example pages for this, because one is simple (no aria-disabled, for example), more common
18:21:22 [carmacleod]
mck: easier to make a point because the use cases are different
18:23:06 [carmacleod]
mck: option 1 is to have 2 pages, option 2 is to have a checkbox on 1 example page
18:24:43 [Jemma]
+ 1 for Jon
18:26:04 [Jemma]
option 1 was selected for final implementation
18:26:32 [carmacleod]
brian: I think it would be more consistent to have 2 example pages - it would be easier to send a link to a client and say "do it this way"
18:26:40 [Jemma]
agenda?
18:27:13 [MarkMcCarthy]
+1 to Bryan
18:27:25 [carmacleod]
carmacleod: for the record, I prefer the separate pages as well - nice to have 2 different use cases
18:28:58 [carmacleod]
zakim, next item
18:28:58 [Zakim]
agendum 1 -- Setup and review agenda -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:29:01 [Jemma]
zakim, take up agendum 4
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agendum 4 -- slider example -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:29:31 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/April-27%2C-2021-Agenda
18:29:46 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-temperature/examples/slider/slider-temperature.html
18:30:11 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-temperature/examples/slider/slider-temperature.html
18:32:03 [Jemma]
we have four sliders to discuss and the first slider is temperature slider.
18:32:13 [carmacleod]
jongund: This is basically just breaking up the temperature slider into multiple pages.
18:35:07 [carmacleod]
mck: would like another accessibility review - not sure if aria-labelledby was working?
18:36:05 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-seek/examples/slider/slider-seek.html
18:36:20 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1863
18:36:23 [carmacleod]
Jemma: next slider is media seek slider
18:36:49 [carmacleod]
jongund: in this example I don't use aria-orientation - should I use it?
18:37:15 [carmacleod]
mck: it's horizontal, so we shouldn't use orientation on this one
18:37:25 [carmacleod]
jongund: just wanted to double check
18:37:47 [carmacleod]
mck: I love how it's announced now. It's actually pretty sweet.
18:40:06 [carmacleod]
mck: it only says "of 5 minutes" when you tab in to the control, but arrows and pageup/down after that don't repeat the "of 5 minutes"
18:40:10 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-multithumb-update/examples/slider/slider-multithumb.html
18:40:58 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1758
18:41:08 [carmacleod]
mck: what did we decide we needed for high contrast documentation for this one?
18:42:25 [carmacleod]
jongund: it is documented
18:43:04 [carmacleod]
mck: some day we will have a high contrast section in the APG coding practices
18:43:08 [carmacleod]
sarah_higley: yep
18:44:44 [siri]
./me Can I get the bug# for talkback issue you were referring Jemma?
18:44:56 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1758/conflicts
18:46:52 [Jemma]
Bad value “presentation” for attribute “role” on element “svg”.
18:46:52 [carmacleod]
jongund: the validator doesn't like role none on svg
18:47:08 [carmacleod]
mck: I can fix this in the merge
18:49:18 [Jemma]
fourth example is rating slider
18:49:19 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/slider-rating/examples/slider/slider-rating.html
18:49:30 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1867
18:50:01 [carmacleod]
mck: This is the one where you can do half-stars
18:50:12 [carmacleod]
mck: so do the stars have role none?
18:50:50 [carmacleod]
jongund: yes, the svgs have role none
18:51:23 [carmacleod]
mck: are the stars tap targets?
18:52:10 [siri]
star rating usually considered as radio buttons
18:52:21 [carmacleod]
jongund: yes, and it works well on touch devices - tap on left side and get half, tap on right side and get whole star
18:52:57 [carmacleod]
mck: is it a problem for WCAG touch target size?
18:53:15 [Jemma]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/dragging.html
18:53:31 [siri]
https://www.w3.org/TR/WCAG22/#pointer-target-spacing
18:53:39 [carmacleod]
sarah_higley: I don't think so, because it's just a visual style of the slider
18:54:04 [Jemma]
https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG22/Understanding/pointer-target-spacing
18:57:12 [Jemma]
agenda?
18:57:31 [carmacleod]
zakim, take up item 5
18:57:31 [Zakim]
agendum 5 -- APG index and coverage report -- taken up [from Jemma]
18:57:50 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/examples/index.html
18:57:59 [carmacleod]
jongund: I addressed all the issues
18:58:16 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/coverage/index.html
18:58:34 [Jemma]
https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1859
18:58:46 [Jemma]
https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-example-index/coverage/index.html
18:59:08 [carmacleod]
mck: I would like to help from the group to make sure the information in the index is accurate
18:59:18 [carmacleod]
Jemma: I can help with this
19:01:51 [carmacleod]
mck: not sure if we want to do implied semantics as well? For example, nav and not just navigation?
19:01:58 [Jemma]
rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma
19:02:13 [jongund]
present+ jongund
19:03:09 [carmacleod]
jongund: nav comes up for the navigation treeview and navigation menubar
19:03:17 [carmacleod]
zakim, who is on the call?
19:03:17 [Zakim]
Present: Matt_King, Jemma, Sarah, sarah_higley, MarkMccarthy, CurtBellew, jamesn, brayan, garaventa, brayangaraventa, carmacleod, jongund
19:03:50 [carmacleod]
rrsagent, make minutes
19:03:50 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:04:21 [carmacleod]
regrets+ curt
19:04:25 [carmacleod]
rrsagent, make minutes
19:04:25 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:06:06 [carmacleod]
present- brayan
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present- CurtBellew
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regrets+ CurtBellew
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regrets- curt
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present- brayangaraventa
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zakim, who is present
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I don't understand 'who is present', carmacleod
19:07:21 [carmacleod]
zakim, who is on the call?
19:07:21 [Zakim]
Present: Matt_King, Jemma, Sarah, sarah_higley, MarkMccarthy, jamesn, garaventa, carmacleod, jongund
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present- jamesn
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:09:01 [carmacleod]
present- Sarah
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rrsagent, make minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
19:10:12 [carmacleod]
present+ Siri
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rrsagent, make minutes
19:10:14 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/27-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod