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17:13:53 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
17:13:59 <jamesn> present+
17:14:03 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
17:14:04 <carmacleod_> scribe: carmacleod
17:14:07 <carmacleod_> present+
17:14:08 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
17:14:10 <MarkMccarthy> present+
17:14:49 <carmacleod_> https://www.w3.org/events/meetings/1d223877-730c-446f-bfa9-2e9222902112/20210422T130000
17:14:56 <Jemma> agenda?
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17:16:06 <jamesn> agenda+ [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/32vX311)
17:16:06 <jamesn> agenda+ [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/2Pd8Qyc)
17:16:06 <jamesn> agenda+ [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3v8tUoQ)
17:16:06 <jamesn> agenda+ [Charter](https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria/charter-2021/charter.html)
17:16:06 <jamesn> agenda+ [onboarding?](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401)
17:16:07 <jamesn> agenda+ [Add role=image as synonym for role=img](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1370)
17:16:07 <jamesn> agenda+ Proposal - Back out new naming mechanisms from 1.3
17:16:07 <jamesn> agenda+ [1.3 triage](https://bit.ly/3gr6ffh)
17:16:15 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:16:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- [New Issue Triage](https://bit.ly/32vX311) -- taken up [from jamesn]
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17:18:59 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1466
17:19:41 <carmacleod_> scott: 1.3, and I'll take it
17:19:51 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1463
17:20:05 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1469?converting=1
17:20:37 <carmacleod_> aaron: is the rule about whether you can use aria-roledescription on the explicit role or the computed role?
17:21:03 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1462
17:21:15 <carmacleod_> jamesn: editorial, 1.3, assigning myself
17:21:33 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:21:33 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- [New PR Triage](https://bit.ly/2Pd8Qyc) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:22:03 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1468
17:22:12 <carmacleod_> jamesn: I will review that
17:22:22 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1467
17:23:12 <carmacleod_> scott: want ua to not expose descendant links to be set to disabled state. Need help making it clear in the spec: don't do that
17:23:34 <carmacleod_> jamesn: need 3 reviewers
17:24:01 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1465
17:24:12 <carmacleod_> jamesn: will review and merge
17:24:30 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1464
17:24:45 <carmacleod_> jamesn: any volunteer reviewers
17:24:56 <carmacleod_> jcraig: I'll review
17:25:04 <carmacleod_> MarkMccarthy: add me
17:25:26 <carmacleod_> siri: I can review
17:25:49 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1460
17:26:38 <carmacleod_> jamesn: carolyn is down as a reviewer, need one more
17:26:44 <carmacleod_> jcraig: add me
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17:26:54 <carmacleod_> https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1457
17:27:01 <Matt_King> present+
17:27:13 <carmacleod_> jamesn: I'll review. anyone else?
17:27:24 <carmacleod_> Jemma: I can review
17:28:23 <carmacleod_> juanita: I can partner with someone to review
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17:29:04 <carmacleod_> jcraig: I can partner
17:30:02 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:30:02 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- [Meaty topic for next week](https://bit.ly/3v8tUoQ) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:30:44 <jamesn> rrsagent, make minutes
17:30:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-aria-minutes.html jamesn
17:31:05 <Jemma> agenda?
17:32:02 <carmacleod_> jamesn: roledescription on May 6
17:32:29 <carmacleod_> jamesn: may have to move dataviz part 2 to either next week or 3 weeks time
17:32:50 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:32:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- [Charter](https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria/charter-2021/charter.html) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:33:01 <jamesn> https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-aria-dive-minutes.html
17:34:19 <carmacleod_> jamesn: draft of charter. proposing moving everything except aria to living standard, so AAMs, etc
17:35:00 <carmacleod_> jamesn: this is what the browsers are doing anyhow
17:35:09 <carmacleod_> mck: including accname
17:35:37 <carmacleod_> jamesn: that's my proposal. please look at the draft and discuss
17:36:44 <carmacleod_> jamesn: the only question is do we do the same thing for aria itself
17:38:09 <carmacleod_> jamesn: there would still be an editor's draft, and you move something into the main branch when it has tests and implementations
17:38:52 <carmacleod_> mck: I thought the main branch was the editor's draft and there's a stable branch
17:39:20 <carmacleod_> jamesn: yes, actually, that's what i meant
17:41:10 <carmacleod_> jamesn: let's start a discussion thread around the charter and whether or not we should go with living standard for the aria spec
17:42:14 <carmacleod_> aaron: I think it comes down to what different stakeholders get out of the aria spec
17:42:43 <carmacleod_> jamesn: there are some organizations that won't use an editor's draft
17:43:24 <carmacleod_> jamesn: although thy use the HTML spec, and it's a living standard
17:44:10 <carmacleod_> scott: actually, whatwg is putting out snapshots now to address that problem
17:46:50 <carmacleod_> aaron: would be nice to know that something is the spec is not going to be removed
17:47:25 <carmacleod_> jamesn: agreed
17:47:33 <carmacleod_> mck: agreed
17:47:38 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:47:38 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- [onboarding?](https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:48:29 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/wiki/Onboaring
17:49:07 <carmacleod_> jamesn: jemma has created an onboarding wiki page
17:49:31 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/onboarding/pull/19
17:49:39 <carmacleod_> Jemma: I will add to this after JamesC's onboarding session today
17:50:24 <Jemma> agenda?
17:51:10 <carmacleod_> mck: wiki pages need some protocol re providing feedback and editing the wiki page
17:51:26 <carmacleod_> carmacleod_: comment in the issue and then make the change?
17:51:30 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:51:30 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- [Add role=image as synonym for role=img](https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1370) -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:52:48 <carmacleod_> jamesn: need mck to approve
17:52:56 <carmacleod_> zakim, next item
17:52:56 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- Proposal - Back out new naming mechanisms from 1.3 -- taken up [from jamesn]
17:54:16 <carmacleod_> jamesn: we had 2 new concepts: name from encapsulation, name from legend
17:55:31 <carmacleod_> jamesn: received feedback from an implementor that this was going to have massive performance implications
17:55:41 <carmacleod_> aaron: who was that?
17:55:52 <carmacleod_> jamesn: it was you, aaron
17:56:13 <carmacleod_> aaron: I don't remember the discussion - was it in some other context?
17:56:46 <carmacleod_> jamesn: I believe you didn't want to complicate the name computation, because it's already complicated and fragile
17:58:51 <carmacleod_> aaron: this is when we were going to do role=label? There are already other ways to do this, so this is not needed
17:59:03 <carmacleod_> aaron: it's just a "nice to have"
18:00:09 <carmacleod_> mck: we were doing role parity, and this would provide more parity between html and aria in the way you do things
18:00:32 <siri> +1 Matt and Aaron
18:02:01 <carmacleod_> jamesn: we are at time, will put this on the agenda for next week. need to close on this because we either need to move it forward for aria 1.3 or take it out
18:02:14 <carmacleod_> l?
18:02:59 <carmacleod_> s/l?/zakim, who is on the call?
18:03:13 <carmacleod_> zakim, who is on the call?
18:03:13 <Zakim> Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, jamesn, carmacleod_, MarkMccarthy, Matt_King
18:03:24 <siri> present +
18:04:19 <carmacleod_> zakim, who is on the call?
18:04:19 <Zakim> Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, jamesn, carmacleod_, MarkMccarthy, Matt_King
18:06:22 <carmacleod_> present+ Siri, William, JCraig, Jemma, Aaron, Scott, Jaunita
18:06:30 <carmacleod_> zakim, who is on the call?
18:06:30 <Zakim> Present: Joanmarie_Diggs, jamesn, carmacleod_, MarkMccarthy, Matt_King, Siri, William, JCraig, Jemma, Aaron, Scott, Jaunita
18:06:41 <carmacleod_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:06:41 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-aria-minutes.html carmacleod_
18:08:04 <carmacleod_> regrets+ CurtB, Cynthia, PeterK, MelSumner
18:08:13 <carmacleod_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:08:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-aria-minutes.html carmacleod_
18:16:57 <carmacleod_> present+ Greta
18:17:01 <carmacleod_> rrsagent, make minutes
18:17:01 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/22-aria-minutes.html carmacleod_
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