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19:53:42 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
19:53:43 <trackbot> Date: 14 April 2021
19:54:02 <riccardoalbertoni> present+
19:54:14 <riccardoalbertoni> RRSAgent, make logs public
19:54:20 <riccardoalbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
19:54:20 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoalbertoni
19:54:56 <riccardoalbertoni> regrets+ DaveBrowning
19:56:16 <riccardoalbertoni>  RRSAgent, draft minutes
19:56:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoalbertoni
19:56:55 <riccardoalbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
19:56:55 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoalbertoni
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20:00:02 <PWinstanley> present+
20:01:37 <riccardoalbertoni> \me I would wait 5 min as I guess andrea is joining, is that ok?
20:04:08 <alejandra> present+
20:07:37 <riccardoalbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
20:07:40 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:07:45 <PWinstanley> topic: admin
20:07:54 <riccardoalbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:07:59 <riccardoalbertoni> +1
20:08:02 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept minute of last meeting https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:08:08 <riccardoalbertoni> +1
20:08:18 <PWinstanley> 0
20:08:24 <alejandra> +0 (not present)
20:08:36 <PWinstanley> resolved:  accept minute of last meeting
20:08:44 <riccardoalbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.04.14
20:09:30 <PWinstanley> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-dxwgdcat-minutes
20:09:39 <PWinstanley> meetingL DCAT working group
20:09:45 <PWinstanley> meeting: DCAT working group
20:09:56 <PWinstanley> s/meetingL DCAT working group//
20:10:02 <alejandra> +1 to agenda
20:10:56 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:10:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley
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20:11:17 <AndreaPerego> present+
20:11:48 <PWinstanley> scribenick: PWinstanley
20:11:53 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
20:11:53 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html PWinstanley
20:12:49 <PWinstanley> action: alejandra to update the change history to changes about languages
20:12:50 <trackbot> Created ACTION-443 - Update the change history to changes about languages [on Alejandra Gonzalez Beltran - due 2021-04-21].
20:15:58 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:16:13 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:16:31 <PWinstanley> PWinstanley: suggesting a poll
20:17:07 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we need to make it clear that this is a draft - so we need to ensure that they only consider stopping it if there is something critical
20:17:47 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:18:15 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: we can repeat this point
20:18:25 <PWinstanley> action: PWinstanley to create a poll
20:18:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-444 - Create a poll [on Peter Winstanley - due 2021-04-21].
20:19:16 <AndreaPerego> The URL to be sent for review: https://w3c.github.io/dxwg/dcat/
20:20:10 <AndreaPerego> q+ to ask what we do with the open PRs
20:20:31 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: so PWinstanley writes the poll and the email, then we get the poll completed before the next plenary and sign off the poll at the next plenary
20:21:04 <riccardoalbertoni> q?
20:21:32 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:21:32 <Zakim> AndreaPerego, you wanted to ask what we do with the open PRs
20:21:51 <AndreaPerego> q?
20:21:51 <riccardoalbertoni> Policy for translations in the RDF of DCAT https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1352
20:22:19 <PWinstanley> topic: policy for translation in the RDF of DCAT
20:24:12 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:24:12 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:24:31 <alejandra> +q
20:24:45 <riccardoalbertoni> ack alejandra
20:25:19 <PWinstanley> alejandra: although it is Simon's PR, it should be straightforward
20:26:02 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: it is also a matter of timing - the link should have been circulated yesterday, but these are minor changes and we can wait
20:27:45 <alejandra> +1
20:27:47 <alejandra> +q
20:28:00 <alejandra> s/+1//
20:28:06 <riccardoalbertoni> q?
20:28:10 <riccardoalbertoni> ack alejandra
20:30:18 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:30:48 <PWinstanley> alejandra: do we just have English as the main language and do others as best efforts, but otherwise rely on Google or DeepL
20:31:10 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: was wondering if our domain suits automatic translation
20:32:28 <PWinstanley> ... we can always just look at changes, because some parts of texts have been created and QA'd since DCAT v1
20:32:41 <PWinstanley> ... this would make the job smaller
20:35:48 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept a policy of deciding on the best efforts we will provide to translations when we get to the CR stage
20:35:53 <alejandra> +1
20:35:57 <AndreaPerego> +1
20:35:58 <PWinstanley> +1
20:36:10 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept a policy of deciding on the best efforts we will provide to translations when we get to the CR stage
20:36:11 <riccardoalbertoni> +1
20:36:24 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:36:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
20:36:36 <PWinstanley> Topic: outstanding issues
20:36:49 <riccardoalbertoni> Specification of range restrictions #1129
20:36:50 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: I've selected 2 issues:
20:37:08 <riccardoalbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1129
20:37:38 <riccardoalbertoni> 
20:38:14 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: we are restricting the range of media-type using a controlled list
20:38:50 <PWinstanley> ... using the meaning in the RFC spec indicating that the IANA media file must be used unless there is a good reason not to
20:39:49 <riccardoalbertoni> q1: Is there another Machine readible document, like shacl, that expresses then the restriction?
20:40:48 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:40:48 <PWinstanley> ... we have decided we are not going to provide other resources because the spec in the document is sufficient.  I don't know if we will change this.
20:41:09 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:41:51 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I think that there might be a mismatch between the spec and what people think is in the spec - it is a 'should' not a 'must'.  This is just like dcterms.
20:42:13 <PWinstanley> ... sometimes people read the spec and thing that everything is 'must' rather than a recommendation
20:42:58 <PWinstanley> ... given a choice then we would recommend IANA, but if a community already has its list then that's fine to continue using
20:43:59 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: I think part of the problem is how people read the usage note
20:44:26 <riccardoalbertoni> The  “usage notes” provide guidance that might be useful indications but generally are not  mapped as machine readable constraints.  We use the RFC 2119 to express the level of expected compliance.  In the specific case, we use   “SHOULD” explicitly referring to the RFC 2119, which implies that iana mediaType are recommended  unless   there is a valid reason to ignore the indication. The full implications must be u[CUT]
20:45:31 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:45:40 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:46:03 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: I think that even the explanation would be misunderstood
20:46:57 <PWinstanley> ... so we just say that unless we use 'must' (which is only seldom used) we should indicate that everything is just a recommendation - some guidance
20:47:15 <PWinstanley> ... but we should approach this case by case
20:47:57 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:49:51 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
20:50:36 <riccardoalbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1195
20:51:05 <alejandra> +q
20:51:46 <riccardoalbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1195#issuecomment-818063968
20:51:57 <riccardoalbertoni> ack alejandra
20:55:24 <riccardoalbertoni> q+
20:57:12 <riccardoalbertoni> ack riccardoalbertoni
20:57:42 <PWinstanley> alejandra: I was assigned to this issue a while back.  I've looked at the whole conversation
20:58:59 <AndreaPerego> q+
20:59:04 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: they are looking for an update to the DCAT definition of 'dataset' in order to accommodate their definitions.  We are generally refraining from varying to the needs of specific communities.  I didn't see any of the examples provided as being outwith the DCAT definition
20:59:08 <PWinstanley> +1
21:01:15 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: we can deal with objections on a case by case basis, but perhaps we need to make more about the design principles?
21:01:59 <riccardoalbertoni> q?
21:02:59 <riccardoalbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:06:12 <alejandra> alejandra: I had made a proposal on how to address a minor change to the definition, but I don't think any of the "note to entries" are necessary, as we cover those cases
21:09:21 <riccardoalbertoni> q?
21:09:53 <PWinstanley> riccardoalbertoni: AndreaPerego had a good wording for the issue ...
21:10:22 <AndreaPerego> proposal: Review the use of SHOULD, MAY, MUST, etc. to check if they should be lowercase or uppercase
21:12:54 <riccardoalbertoni> +1
21:12:58 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:13:00 <alejandra> +1
21:13:05 <PWinstanley> +1
21:13:18 <PWinstanley> present-
21:13:18 <AndreaPerego> resolved: Review the use of SHOULD, MAY, MUST, etc. to check if they should be lowercase or uppercase
21:13:36 <riccardoalbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1326
21:14:32 <AndreaPerego> scribenick: AndreaPerego
21:14:52 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Revised PR ^^ as decided.
21:23:34 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1354
21:28:10 <AndreaPerego> alejandra: Created PR ^^ for the changes in the basic example.
21:28:47 <riccardoalbertoni> ... Discussion continued on closing some PRs...
21:28:50 <AndreaPerego> riccardoalbertoni: Thanks everyone.
21:28:56 <AndreaPerego> [meeting adjourned]
21:29:03 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:29:03 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/04/14-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego