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16:51:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), jamesn
16:51:32 <jamesn> meeting: ARIA WG
16:51:32 <jamesn> chair: JamesNurthen
16:52:08 <jamesn> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria/2021Apr/0002.html
16:52:08 <agendabot> clear agenda
16:52:08 <agendabot> agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3mtOMDR>
16:52:08 <agendabot> agenda+ New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3dMcd7i>
16:52:08 <agendabot> agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw>
16:52:08 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.2 - How are we validating Author MUST statements?
16:52:11 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.2 -User agent implementation expectations for name-prohibited roles with names?<https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1449>
16:52:14 <agendabot> agenda+ Detectability of AT<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371>
16:52:17 <agendabot> agenda+ onboarding<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401>
16:52:20 <agendabot> agenda+ Add role=image as synonym for role=img<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1370>
16:52:22 <agendabot> agenda+ 1.3 Triage<https://bit.ly/3mqBh7X>
16:52:25 <agendabot> agenda+ New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3mtOMDR> agenda+ New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3dMcd7i> agenda+ Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw> agenda+ 1.2 - How are we validating Author MUST statements? agenda+ 1.2 -User agent implementation expectations for name-prohibited roles with
16:52:29 <agendabot> … names? <https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1449> agenda+ Detectability of AT<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371> agenda+ onboarding<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1401> agenda+ Add role=image as synonym for role=img<https://github.com/w3c/aria/pull/1370> agenda+ 1.3
16:52:34 <agendabot> … Triage<https://bit.ly/3mqBh7X>
16:52:35 <jamesn> agenda- 10
16:52:49 <jamesn> agenda?
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17:10:19 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
17:10:28 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:10:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- New Issue Triage<https://bit.ly/3mtOMDR> -- taken up [from agendabot]
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17:11:30 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1451
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17:13:41 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1451
17:14:24 <carmacleod> Scott_OHara: I'll take this
17:14:34 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1450
17:14:41 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1447
17:16:28 <MichaelC> Several features are deprecated in 1.2, so we do have precedent and pattern
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17:17:37 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:17:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3dMcd7i> -- taken up [from agendabot]
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17:18:28 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:18:28 <Zakim> agendum 2 was just opened, carmacleod
17:18:37 <carmacleod> zakim, close item 2
17:18:37 <Zakim> agendum 2, New PR Triage<https://bit.ly/3dMcd7i>, closed
17:18:38 <Zakim> I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:18:38 <Zakim> 3. Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw> [from agendabot]
17:18:42 <Jemma> agenda?
17:19:32 <Jaunita_George> Question -- where's the draft for 1.3?
17:20:24 <jamesn> Secondary actions on items in composite widget roles #1440 for next week
17:20:36 <carmacleod> Juanita: https://w3c.github.io/aria/
17:21:21 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:21:21 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw> -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:21:26 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:21:26 <Zakim> agendum 3 was just opened, carmacleod
17:21:50 <jamesn> in 2 weeks Data Visualization discussion
17:21:50 <jamesn> =
17:21:57 <carmacleod> zakim, close item 3
17:21:57 <Zakim> agendum 3, Meaty topic for next week<https://bit.ly/3moWBuw>, closed
17:21:58 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
17:21:58 <Zakim> 4. 1.2 - How are we validating Author MUST statements? [from agendabot]
17:22:00 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:22:00 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- 1.2 - How are we validating Author MUST statements? -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:22:04 <MarkMcCarthy> s/=/
17:22:40 <joanie> The implementation report and summary of changes seem to imply that the ARIA 1.1 comboboxes will remain, though that role highlights "Major Changes to combobox role in ARIA 1.2". This implies a lack of implementations of the ARIA 1.2 combobox changes, and raises questions of what other changes ARIA 1.2 brings that the summary of changes did not document.
17:23:29 <StefanS> q+
17:24:27 <carmacleod> joanie: The 1.2 changes are all for authors, except for valuetext.
17:25:21 <carmacleod> StefanS: The ARIA group should certify a validator.
17:25:36 <Jemma> Q+
17:25:50 <carmacleod> ack s
17:26:38 <jamesn> q?
17:26:45 <Jaunita_George> q+
17:27:03 <jamesn> q+ to ask Michael what we have done in previous versions
17:27:24 <carmacleod> ack j
17:27:33 <carmacleod> ack jemma
17:29:11 <carmacleod> jemma: I think Joanie is asking whether we should validate what authors write?
17:29:34 <jamesn> ack Juan
17:29:37 <carmacleod> ack juanita
17:29:59 <carmacleod> ack Jaunita_George
17:30:15 <jamesn> ack me
17:30:15 <Zakim> jamesn, you wanted to ask Michael what we have done in previous versions
17:30:33 <carmacleod> joanie: does that report need to include validators
17:30:51 <carmacleod> jamesn: didn't we have validators in the past
17:31:37 <carmacleod> MichaelC: I think that if we want authors must requirements, then we need to validate them
17:32:07 <carmacleod> MichaelC: I have a vague memory of saying that it's trivial for authors to follow these requirements
17:32:44 <carmacleod> jamesn: Harris, is there a way to know if axe covers all of these?
17:32:51 <Jaunita_George> Sorry, would this task force be the one who could help with this: https://www.w3.org/WAI/GL/task-forces/conformance-testing/
17:32:57 <carmacleod> harris: possibly
17:36:03 <carmacleod> scott: what do we need to prove here? We know that the implementations are there.
17:38:16 <sarah_higley> q+
17:38:23 <carmacleod> jamesn: I think we need to prove that author must statements are implementable
17:38:26 <StefanS> q-
17:40:08 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: why aren't the combobox changes listed in the section on substantive changes
17:40:28 <StefanS> q+
17:40:54 <carmacleod> jamesn: They are, but there are 2 sections that need to be merged into one. That will be done before PR.
17:41:30 <StefanS> q-
17:41:44 <sarah_higley> q-
17:42:01 <joanie> agenda?
17:42:16 <carmacleod> scott: can we add a note to the 1.1 spec?
17:42:22 <carmacleod> jamesn: no, sorry
17:43:02 <carmacleod> scott: because a problem is that people still use the 1.1 spec because 1.2 isn't rec yet
17:43:20 <carmacleod> sarah_higley: and people still have a link to the 1.1 spec
17:43:44 <Jaunita_George> I can help with the testing documentation with both manual/automated testing
17:45:46 <carmacleod> action jamesn: find a diff between author requirements between 1.1 and 1.2
17:45:50 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:45:50 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- 1.2 -User agent implementation expectations for name-prohibited roles with names?<https://github.com/w3c/aria/discussions/1449> -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:50:46 <carmacleod> scott: focusable div should be a group.
17:51:02 <Jaunita_George> Maybe a new role? Like role="generic"?
17:51:38 <carmacleod> jamesn: should contenteditable be a textbox?
17:51:52 <Jemma> wow. that is a good idea.
17:52:06 <Jemma> Joannie's idea
17:52:33 <carmacleod> scott: no, because contenteditable is allowed on every element, and having all textboxes doesn't work very well
17:53:23 <carmacleod> Jaunita, we have a generic role: https://w3c.github.io/aria/#generic
17:54:25 <carmacleod> scott: regarding authors must... it's a specification, follow it
17:54:52 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
17:54:52 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Detectability of AT<https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371> -- taken up [from agendabot]
17:55:20 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371#issuecomment-813689264
17:56:18 <jamesn> https://github.com/w3c/aria/issues/1371#issuecomment-813697743
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17:57:25 <Jaunita_George> Thanks @carmacleod.
17:58:20 <carmacleod> jamesn: Any comments on the privacy group's proposed change?
17:59:38 <carmacleod> jemma: JamesN, your comment is easier to read, but their comment says why
18:00:46 <carmacleod> jamesn: not sure if we want to say "invasion of privacy"?
18:00:59 <carmacleod> jemma: we don' want to scare people
18:01:12 <carmacleod> s/don'/don't
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