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15:33:15 <MichaelC> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-a11y-functional-needs/2021Mar/0024.html
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15:33:40 <MichaelC> topic: Continued exploration of user needs restructure
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15:33:56 <JakeAbma_> present+
15:34:10 <MichaelC> meeting: Accessibility Functional Needs
15:34:13 <joconnor> MC: Jake has stuff to show off
15:34:31 <joconnor> JA: I've taken Jakes adjustments
15:34:52 <joconnor> Looking at categorisations etc - I have bells ringing
15:35:21 <joconnor> Put all into a spreadsheet
15:35:45 <joconnor> JA: Tried to come up with others, there is also overlap with FAST
15:36:01 <joconnor> Some new ones for Personalization and more
15:36:23 <joconnor> Question is, do we need a flat list, or categorised - how deep to go?
15:36:49 <joconnor> Have also asked for feedback and suggestions for presentation.
15:37:43 <joconnor> JA: Are there gaps in things we do with technical products etc?
15:38:12 <joconnor> Presents work and categories that may over lap
15:38:43 <joconnor> It would be helpful to look at what user needs cover a topic
15:39:04 <joconnor> What belongs to navigation, or different categorization?
15:39:49 <joconnor> Dont think the question of categorization or flat list is useful - lets see what fits and feels good
15:40:30 <joconnor> MC: My DB allows for multiple categorizations
15:40:55 <joconnor> MC: These categories are interesting
15:41:04 <joconnor> JA: I like the flat list too
15:41:20 <joconnor> Did this get a grip on the flat list - to see where they are at.
15:41:29 <joconnor> MC: This does look good - we can use this.
15:41:44 <joconnor> Helpful to find gaps
15:42:09 <joconnor> JA: People can find what they like and need
15:42:15 <joconnor> MC: I like the types etc
15:42:24 <joconnor> Interaction types etc
15:43:01 <joconnor> MC:  Where we see something that doesn't have user needs associated then we have a gap.
15:43:20 <joconnor> JA: We may also agree some categorizations may not make it to the end
15:43:40 <joconnor> My first review of FAST the structure of user needs was different to the checklist
15:43:51 <joconnor> MC: We can start from scratch
15:44:14 <joconnor> MC: <groks categories>
15:44:47 <joconnor> I dont know what cat 4 is for..
15:45:05 <joconnor> JA: Cat 5 and 6 could be merged
15:45:23 <joconnor> They are keys tp change etc
15:45:33 <joconnor> Providing alternatives
15:46:02 <joconnor> MC: Useful in technique guidance phases..
15:46:17 <joconnor> These are types of approaches to writing guidance
15:46:45 <joconnor> JOC: I'll need some time to parse
15:47:02 <joconnor> DF: I'll also need to take it in.
15:47:28 <joconnor> MC: Whats a good next step?
15:47:47 <joconnor> JA: We'd need to make sure this is what we want.
15:48:02 <joconnor> JA: We could try to fill this in as an exercise.
15:48:16 <joconnor> JOC: +1 to Jake having a test run
15:49:01 <joconnor> MC: Sounds good as long as it isn't a lot of work, just filling applies or N/A
15:49:18 <joconnor> I think this would be useful. Ready next week or need more time?
15:49:47 <joconnor> JA: I'll have more answers, but only starting - hope to make progress.
15:49:58 <joconnor> MC: Can this be put on Google Sheets?
15:50:01 <joconnor> JA: Yup
15:50:18 <joconnor> MC: We could use the shared drive
15:51:05 <MichaelC> https://drive.google.com/drive/folders/0B0YCWfzZeWMuM2VxdFREV0FkUWM
15:51:19 <joconnor> JOC: Good work Jake - I'll update the dupe user need in user-needs-restructure branch
15:53:54 <MichaelC> topic: Review draft WBS about the user needs
15:53:59 <MichaelC> https://www.w3.org/2002/09/wbs/35422/2021-03_user-needs/?login
15:54:17 <joconnor> MC: This is still not complete - we need to propose a definition of user need
15:54:27 <joconnor> Josh added stuff about context
15:54:33 <joconnor> but needs to be filled out
15:54:45 <joconnor> Can we all have a look?
15:55:30 <joconnor> MC: We need to define user need
15:56:19 <joconnor> DF: Looking at functional capacity assessment a la US gov Social Security and Admin
15:58:05 <Fazio_> user need - functionality necesssary to provide functional capacity
16:00:18 <joconnor> Here is the definition in RAUR https://www.w3.org/TR/raur/#user-needs-definition
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