IRC log of aria-editors on 2021-03-31
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- meeting: ARIA Editors
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- chair: MichaelC
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- scribe: MichaelC
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- agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-editors/2021Mar/0004.html
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- agenda+ Stable branch in AccName
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- agenda+ Next steps on AccName
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- agenda+ 1.2 CR status
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- agenda+ Testing - WPT or other platforms, sharing the load
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- agenda+ W3C Calendaring check-in
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- agenda+ Check in on moving abstract roles out of spec
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- agenda+ Next meeting
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- present+
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- agenda+ Moving to latest version of respec
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- present+ Joanmarie_Diggs
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- regrets+ Melanie_Sumner
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- present+
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- agenda order 1,2,3,8
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- agenda?
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 1 -- Stable branch in AccName -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- present+
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- no quorum for this, skipping
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 1 closed
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- I see 7 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 2. Next steps on AccName [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 2 -- Next steps on AccName -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- no quorum for this, skipping
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 2 closed
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- I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 3. 1.2 CR status [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 3 -- 1.2 CR status -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- Finishing testing
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- will discuss with WG tomorrow
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- need people to help out creating tests
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- that meet quality metrics
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 3 closed
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- I see 5 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 8. Moving to latest version of respec [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 4
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- agendum 4 -- Testing - WPT or other platforms, sharing the load -- taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:10:11 [MichaelC]
- Chromium dumps a11y tree much like the ATTAs do
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- can create HTML file, create expectations, it will run the tests for all browsers
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- this could allow us to get rid of WPT tests, which are manual, difficult to maintain
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- proposal that new ARIA features would require not just a test, but a test file
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- using this format
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- (would document in https://www.w3.org/WAI/ARIA/workflow)
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- would end up with a downloadable binary
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- down the road, also would like AT tests for the aria-at tests as part of the whole shebang
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- working on a webdriver-like tool for AT
- 17:18:37 [Jemma]
- https://github.com/w3c/aria-at/issues/349#issuecomment-740687349
- 17:23:49 [MichaelC]
- so we have tests for ARIA, ATs, and APG patterns to put together
- 17:25:42 [Jemma]
- I suggest that we document this discussion - connecting ARIA, APG and AT via automated and integrated testing efforts.
- 17:28:12 [Jemma]
- +1 for mapping out workflow
- 17:29:09 [MichaelC]
- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 4 closed
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- I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 8. Moving to latest version of respec [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 8
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- agendum 8 -- Moving to latest version of respec -- taken up [from MichaelC]
- 17:29:48 [MichaelC]
- https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-aria-editors/2021Mar/0005.html
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- Jquery has been removed from our scripts
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- switch to respec-w3c instead of respec-w3c-common
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- requires a new event model
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- for our add-on scripts
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- respec now has a feature to ¨export¨ terms
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- so they can be ¨imported¨ in other specs
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- some terms not really used
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- should export terms from spec most suited, will involve ARIA, Core-AAM, AccName at least
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- import other terms, from other ARIA specs and other W3C specs
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- there´s a bit of a circular issue with cron jobs that will break things, but it´ll get fixed on next publication
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- there could be a period of weeks where editors´ drafts have broken references to terms
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- (ones that have been linked but no longer reference, or not yet exported)
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- impact on APG to be sorted later
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- need to figure out what specs should own big terms like ¨Assistive Technology¨
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- take to WAI-CC after we do this in ARIA
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- <discussion of arcana of our set-up>
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- agenda?
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 8 closed
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- I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. W3C Calendaring check-in [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, take up item 6
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- agendum 6 -- Check in on moving abstract roles out of spec -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- <being dealt with another way>
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 6 was just opened, micro__
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- zakim, close this item
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- agendum 6 closed
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- I see 2 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
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- 5. W3C Calendaring check-in [from MichaelC]
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 5 -- W3C Calendaring check-in -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- Using new calendar tool for ARIA WG
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- event gets update with agenda each week
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- <noodling on how it´s working for us>
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- zakim, next item
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- agendum 7 -- Next meeting -- taken up [from MichaelC]
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- Next meeting: April 14 2021
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- regrets from MCK and Joanie
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- I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/31-aria-editors-minutes.html MichaelC