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20:59:45 <PWinstanley> chair: PWinstanley
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21:00:51 <PWinstanley> regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Alejandra
21:01:48 <PWinstanley> meeting: DXWG Plenary
21:01:56 <antoine> present+ antoine
21:02:15 <PWinstanley> agenda:  https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.23
21:02:29 <PWinstanley> rrsagent, create minutes v2
21:02:29 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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21:04:27 <Rachel> present+
21:04:33 <roba> present+
21:04:59 <Ana> present+
21:05:23 <antoine> zakim, whoi is here?
21:05:23 <Zakim> sorry, antoine, I do not understand your question
21:05:27 <antoine> zakim, who is here?
21:05:27 <Zakim> Present: PWinstanley, antoine, kcoyle, Rachel, AndreaPerego, plh, annette_g, Caroline_, !, roba, Ana
21:05:29 <Zakim> On IRC I see Rachel, Ana, antoine, kcoyle, RRSAgent, PWinstanley, roba, bigbluehat, Zakim, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
21:05:34 <antoine> scribenick: antoine
21:05:52 <antoine> Topic: admin
21:06:04 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:06:04 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:06:08 <PWinstanley> proposed: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-dxwg-minutes
21:06:14 <PWinstanley> +1
21:06:18 <kcoyle> present+
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21:06:23 <PWinstanley> present+
21:06:27 <antoine> regrets- antoine
21:06:28 <Ana> +1
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21:06:35 <plh> present+ plh
21:06:36 <DaveBrowning> presents+
21:06:38 <antoine> 0 (not attending)
21:06:43 <DaveBrowning> present+
21:07:00 <Rachel> +1
21:07:24 <antoine> PWinstanley: we had a doodle poll for the call time
21:07:48 <antoine> 20 for the current time
21:07:54 <antoine> 10 for one hour later
21:08:02 <antoine> 7 for two hours later
21:08:31 <antoine> ... more people don't want the other time than these who want it
21:08:49 <antoine> ... can we do a compromise for the Pacific zones?
21:08:56 <antoine> plh: we could rotate
21:09:11 <antoine> ... several groups do this
21:09:49 <antoine> No objection for trying
21:10:10 <antoine> PWinstanley: the compriomise would be to go for the middle one
21:11:26 <antoine> ... this would put CET towards midnight
21:11:42 <antoine> antoine: some of the DCAT groups are in the same situation
21:11:50 <antoine> roba: I'm in Melbourne
21:12:04 <antoine> PWinstanley: would you turn up?
21:12:19 <antoine> roba: PROV needs to move through open issues
21:12:33 <antoine> ... and then we could delegate someone to report in the general calls
21:13:15 <antoine> ... the earlier one is ok for EU and US and my feeling would be to go for it
21:13:34 <antoine> PWinstanley: we could rotate sometimes
21:13:50 <PWinstanley> resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-dxwg-minutes
21:14:33 <antoine> roba: simon, nick and I are the ones impacted
21:14:56 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
21:14:56 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html DaveBrowning
21:16:25 <antoine> 20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET
21:16:38 <plh> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=4&day=23&year=2021&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=216&p9=152&iv=0
21:16:51 <plh> https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=7&day=23&year=2021&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=216&p9=152&iv=0
21:17:45 <antoine> plh: ... and 6am Melbourne
21:18:02 <antoine> ... and 4pm Boston
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21:18:12 <PWinstanley> proposed: timing of next meetings is 20:00 UTC
21:18:39 <antoine> plh: roba if you have something to report you can ask to shift!
21:19:04 <antoine> roba: it should be alright
21:19:22 <antoine> plh: I wouldn't have to change
21:19:28 <antoine> ... the reservation
21:19:38 <antoine> PWinstanley: how are people feeling about 20:00 UTC?
21:19:41 <Rachel> +1
21:19:41 <antoine> +1
21:19:45 <roba> +1
21:19:46 <Ana> +1
21:19:46 <DaveBrowning> +1
21:19:49 <PWinstanley> +1
21:19:50 <plh> +1
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21:20:13 <PWinstanley> resolved: timing of next meetings is 20:00 UTC
21:20:59 <antoine> plh: there is a new calendar system
21:21:11 <antoine> ... when I will set up you will receive a calendar invitation
21:21:14 <antoine> q+
21:21:19 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:21:35 <PWinstanley> antoine: will that invitation include a direct webex link?
21:21:41 <DaveBrowning> q+
21:21:44 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:21:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:21:50 <PWinstanley> plh: yes, and you can add to outlook etc
21:21:54 <PWinstanley> ack DaveBrowning
21:22:06 <antoine> Antoine: hurray!
21:22:19 <antoine> DaveBrowning: is this going to use the email of the members?
21:22:32 <antoine> plh: it's going to use the member list
21:22:39 <antoine> DaveBrowning: I have problems accessing it
21:22:47 <antoine> ... I'll drop you an email
21:23:05 <antoine> Topic: PROF
21:23:23 <antoine> roba: I've reviewed the open issues
21:23:39 <antoine> ... we need to have a doodle to find time to discuss them
21:23:54 <antoine> ... there was a discussion on naming elements
21:24:03 <antoine> PWinstanley: this was related to the github?
21:24:10 <antoine> ... the cleanup?
21:24:35 <antoine> roba: issued have been moved when the new repos were created
21:25:05 <antoine> ... there are some related issues in the DCAT space though (e.g. on the semantics of profiling and conformance)
21:25:27 <antoine> ... there are some implementation things
21:25:35 <antoine> ... it works fine as is
21:25:51 <antoine> ... The Conneg-P got deployed to the ??? environment
21:25:59 <antoine> ... there is discussion inside the IETF
21:26:13 <antoine> ... on where it could have a home inside IETF
21:26:20 <AndreaPerego> s/???/OGC/
21:26:24 <antoine> ... I can try to get a report from the people involved
21:26:46 <PWinstanley> action: roba  to get report on IETF situation for Conneg-P from Lars & Ruben
21:26:47 <trackbot> Created ACTION-441 -  to get report on ietf situation for conneg-p from lars & ruben [on Rob Atkinson - due 2021-03-30].
21:27:07 <antoine> ... there's a chicken-and-egg wrt implementation by UGC and standardization by IETF
21:27:14 <antoine> ... I don't know when it will resolve
21:27:20 <AndreaPerego> s/UGC/OGC/
21:27:21 <PWinstanley> s/UGC/OGC/
21:27:55 <antoine> Topic: DCAT
21:28:20 <antoine> AndreaPerego: in the last two weeks we've looked at open issues
21:28:27 <antoine> ... mainly working on dataset series
21:28:35 <antoine> ... we've got a section in the editor draft
21:28:43 <antoine> ... requires more work as there is ongoing discussion
21:29:10 <antoine> ... new class DatasetSeries and related properties
21:29:23 <antoine> ... there is discussion about inverse properties
21:29:35 <antoine> ... this is a more general discussion on DCAT
21:29:58 <antoine> ... for example request for inverse properties for the link between dataset and distributions
21:30:17 <antoine> ... we may use the PROV approach to deal with inverses.
21:30:40 <antoine> ... i.e. "we don't provide them but we give guidance for implementers to create them for their use cases"
21:30:53 <antoine> PWinstanley: is there a showstopper for inverse properties?
21:31:16 <antoine> AndreaPerego: Defining a property and its inverse may have impact on implementation and interop
21:31:31 <antoine> ... if some implementations use only one of them (and not all systems use inference)
21:31:47 <antoine> ... On the other side for some use case the 'other way round' helps
21:32:00 <antoine> ... We're trying to find a compromise between the two.
21:32:33 <antoine> ... For the moment the approach of implementing only one direction and follow the PROV approach
21:32:52 <antoine> PWinstanley: how about non-RDF implementation? We should be implementation-agnostic
21:33:14 <antoine> AndreaPerego: some DCAT would-be implementers have XML-based systems
21:33:26 <antoine> ... and could implement DCAT via XML schemas
21:33:41 <antoine> ... [gives two examples]
21:35:06 <antoine> PWinstanley: could colleagues have a look at them?
21:35:08 <antoine> q+
21:35:11 <DaveBrowning> rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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21:35:13 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:35:47 <PWinstanley> antoine: it could help if some issues were highlighted - sometimes it is difficult to find the most important issues
21:35:54 <PWinstanley> ... among many other things
21:36:04 <antoine> AndreaPerego: I'm also getting many notifications :-)
21:36:23 <antoine> ... we're trying to reduce the scope of each issue
21:36:28 <antoine> +1
21:36:53 <antoine> ... the result is that it increases the amount of notifications
21:37:21 <antoine> PWinstanley: two aspects: atomic PRs vs number of issues
21:38:06 <roba> thats the same problem we have had with prof - too many general discussions about wider guidance and too hard to focus on issues of either vocab or api capability.
21:38:17 <antoine> AndreaPerego: discussions extend and that creates proliferation
21:38:20 <antoine> q+
21:38:34 <PWinstanley> ack antoine
21:39:13 <PWinstanley> antoine: would it be helpful for an email to be sent following the DCAT meeting with a pointer to key issues that need feedback?
21:39:25 <roba> +1
21:39:25 <DaveBrowning> +1 to antoine
21:39:27 <PWinstanley> AndreaPerego: yes, will do
21:39:57 <antoine> Topic: Github cleanup
21:39:59 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:39:59 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:40:37 <antoine> PWinstanley: there are issues on Use Cases and Profile Guidance to be tidied up
21:40:55 <antoine> ... this needs to be done when people have time
21:41:21 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:41:21 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:41:44 <antoine> rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:41:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:41:46 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, bye bye
21:41:48 <PWinstanley> bye
21:41:49 <DaveBrowning> Bye
21:41:57 <Ana> thank you, bye
21:42:14 <PWinstanley>  rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:42:14 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
21:43:17 <AndreaPerego> present- !
21:43:19 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:44:11 <AndreaPerego> s/20:00/... 20:00/
21:44:13 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:45:26 <AndreaPerego> s/... 20:00/20:00/
21:45:27 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
21:45:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:46:13 <AndreaPerego> s/20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET/... 20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET/
21:46:14 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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21:54:54 <AndreaPerego> regrets+ Annette
21:54:56 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes
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