IRC log of dxwg on 2021-03-23

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rrsagent, make logs public
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chair: PWinstanley
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regrets+ RiccardoAlbertoni, antoine, Alejandra
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meeting: DXWG Plenary
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present+ antoine
21:02:15 [PWinstanley]
agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.23
21:02:29 [PWinstanley]
rrsagent, create minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
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present+
21:04:33 [roba]
present+
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present+
21:05:23 [antoine]
zakim, whoi is here?
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sorry, antoine, I do not understand your question
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zakim, who is here?
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Present: PWinstanley, antoine, kcoyle, Rachel, AndreaPerego, plh, annette_g, Caroline_, !, roba, Ana
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On IRC I see Rachel, Ana, antoine, kcoyle, RRSAgent, PWinstanley, roba, bigbluehat, Zakim, hadleybeeman, rhiaro, trackbot
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scribenick: antoine
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Topic: admin
21:06:04 [antoine]
rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:06:08 [PWinstanley]
proposed: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-dxwg-minutes
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+1
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present+
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+1
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present+
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regrets- antoine
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+1
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present+ plh
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presents+
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0 (not attending)
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present+
21:07:00 [Rachel]
+1
21:07:24 [antoine]
PWinstanley: we had a doodle poll for the call time
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20 for the current time
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10 for one hour later
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7 for two hours later
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... more people don't want the other time than these who want it
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... can we do a compromise for the Pacific zones?
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plh: we could rotate
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... several groups do this
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No objection for trying
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PWinstanley: the compriomise would be to go for the middle one
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... this would put CET towards midnight
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antoine: some of the DCAT groups are in the same situation
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roba: I'm in Melbourne
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PWinstanley: would you turn up?
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roba: PROV needs to move through open issues
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... and then we could delegate someone to report in the general calls
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... the earlier one is ok for EU and US and my feeling would be to go for it
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PWinstanley: we could rotate sometimes
21:13:50 [PWinstanley]
resolved: accept https://www.w3.org/2021/03/09-dxwg-minutes
21:14:33 [antoine]
roba: simon, nick and I are the ones impacted
21:14:56 [DaveBrowning]
rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html DaveBrowning
21:16:25 [antoine]
20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET
21:16:38 [plh]
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=4&day=23&year=2021&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=216&p9=152&iv=0
21:16:51 [plh]
https://www.timeanddate.com/worldclock/meetingtime.html?month=7&day=23&year=2021&p1=43&p2=195&p3=224&p4=33&p5=248&p6=136&p7=64&p8=216&p9=152&iv=0
21:17:45 [antoine]
plh: ... and 6am Melbourne
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... and 4pm Boston
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proposed: timing of next meetings is 20:00 UTC
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plh: roba if you have something to report you can ask to shift!
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roba: it should be alright
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plh: I wouldn't have to change
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... the reservation
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PWinstanley: how are people feeling about 20:00 UTC?
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
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+1
21:20:13 [PWinstanley]
resolved: timing of next meetings is 20:00 UTC
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plh: there is a new calendar system
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... when I will set up you will receive a calendar invitation
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q+
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ack antoine
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antoine: will that invitation include a direct webex link?
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q+
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:21:50 [PWinstanley]
plh: yes, and you can add to outlook etc
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ack DaveBrowning
21:22:06 [antoine]
Antoine: hurray!
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DaveBrowning: is this going to use the email of the members?
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plh: it's going to use the member list
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DaveBrowning: I have problems accessing it
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... I'll drop you an email
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Topic: PROF
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roba: I've reviewed the open issues
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... we need to have a doodle to find time to discuss them
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... there was a discussion on naming elements
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PWinstanley: this was related to the github?
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... the cleanup?
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roba: issued have been moved when the new repos were created
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... there are some related issues in the DCAT space though (e.g. on the semantics of profiling and conformance)
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... there are some implementation things
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... it works fine as is
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... The Conneg-P got deployed to the ??? environment
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... there is discussion inside the IETF
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... on where it could have a home inside IETF
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s/???/OGC/
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... I can try to get a report from the people involved
21:26:46 [PWinstanley]
action: roba to get report on IETF situation for Conneg-P from Lars & Ruben
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Created ACTION-441 - to get report on ietf situation for conneg-p from lars & ruben [on Rob Atkinson - due 2021-03-30].
21:27:07 [antoine]
... there's a chicken-and-egg wrt implementation by UGC and standardization by IETF
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... I don't know when it will resolve
21:27:20 [AndreaPerego]
s/UGC/OGC/
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s/UGC/OGC/
21:27:55 [antoine]
Topic: DCAT
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AndreaPerego: in the last two weeks we've looked at open issues
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... mainly working on dataset series
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... we've got a section in the editor draft
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... requires more work as there is ongoing discussion
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... new class DatasetSeries and related properties
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... there is discussion about inverse properties
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... this is a more general discussion on DCAT
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... for example request for inverse properties for the link between dataset and distributions
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... we may use the PROV approach to deal with inverses.
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... i.e. "we don't provide them but we give guidance for implementers to create them for their use cases"
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PWinstanley: is there a showstopper for inverse properties?
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AndreaPerego: Defining a property and its inverse may have impact on implementation and interop
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... if some implementations use only one of them (and not all systems use inference)
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... On the other side for some use case the 'other way round' helps
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... We're trying to find a compromise between the two.
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... For the moment the approach of implementing only one direction and follow the PROV approach
21:32:52 [antoine]
PWinstanley: how about non-RDF implementation? We should be implementation-agnostic
21:33:14 [antoine]
AndreaPerego: some DCAT would-be implementers have XML-based systems
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... and could implement DCAT via XML schemas
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... [gives two examples]
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PWinstanley: could colleagues have a look at them?
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q+
21:35:11 [DaveBrowning]
rrsagent, draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html DaveBrowning
21:35:13 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:35:47 [PWinstanley]
antoine: it could help if some issues were highlighted - sometimes it is difficult to find the most important issues
21:35:54 [PWinstanley]
... among many other things
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AndreaPerego: I'm also getting many notifications :-)
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... we're trying to reduce the scope of each issue
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+1
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... the result is that it increases the amount of notifications
21:37:21 [antoine]
PWinstanley: two aspects: atomic PRs vs number of issues
21:38:06 [roba]
thats the same problem we have had with prof - too many general discussions about wider guidance and too hard to focus on issues of either vocab or api capability.
21:38:17 [antoine]
AndreaPerego: discussions extend and that creates proliferation
21:38:20 [antoine]
q+
21:38:34 [PWinstanley]
ack antoine
21:39:13 [PWinstanley]
antoine: would it be helpful for an email to be sent following the DCAT meeting with a pointer to key issues that need feedback?
21:39:25 [roba]
+1
21:39:25 [DaveBrowning]
+1 to antoine
21:39:27 [PWinstanley]
AndreaPerego: yes, will do
21:39:57 [antoine]
Topic: Github cleanup
21:39:59 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:40:37 [antoine]
PWinstanley: there are issues on Use Cases and Profile Guidance to be tidied up
21:40:55 [antoine]
... this needs to be done when people have time
21:41:21 [antoine]
rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
21:41:21 [RRSAgent]
I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:41:44 [antoine]
rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html antoine
21:41:46 [AndreaPerego]
Thanks, bye bye
21:41:48 [PWinstanley]
bye
21:41:49 [DaveBrowning]
Bye
21:41:57 [Ana]
thank you, bye
21:42:14 [PWinstanley]
rrsagent, please draft minutes v2
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html PWinstanley
21:43:17 [AndreaPerego]
present- !
21:43:19 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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s/20:00/... 20:00/
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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s/... 20:00/20:00/
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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s/20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET/... 20:00 UTC would be 22:00 CET/
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RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:54:54 [AndreaPerego]
regrets+ Annette
21:54:56 [AndreaPerego]
RRSAgent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/23-dxwg-minutes.html AndreaPerego
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