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12:46:58 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
12:46:58 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2021
12:47:09 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
12:47:14 <jasonjgw> present+
12:47:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+        RAUR and XAUR  any updates.
12:47:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Media synchronization research.
12:47:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Accessibility of natural language interfaces.
12:47:18 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
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13:03:47 <SteveNoble> present+
13:04:00 <joconnor> present+
13:05:26 <janina> present+
13:05:46 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:05:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR and XAUR  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:05:56 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
13:06:59 <SteveNoble> janina: What about the 2 questions that came in of late?
13:07:17 <joconnor> ..from WCAG 3 regarding RAUR
13:07:55 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Use case of caption for braille display use was another question
13:08:28 <joconnor> Should captions be full transcripts is a part of the question
13:09:41 <SteveNoble> janina: Problem of slowing down the meeting conversation rate for the sake of the captions
13:10:39 <SteveNoble> joconnor: Should we delay RAUR while we deal with this?
13:10:52 <SteveNoble> janina: Probably so
13:11:00 <joconnor> RAUR to be delayed, due to content usable anyways
13:12:06 <joconnor> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2021Mar/0033.html
13:12:15 <janina> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-rqtf/2021Mar/0033.html
13:15:14 <SteveNoble> janina: It is not workable to limit communications due to limitations in reading rates
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13:17:18 <SteveNoble> janina: Two weeks seems safe
13:18:20 <joconnor> RAUR and XAUR to be delayed till Content usable is out
13:20:43 <SteveNoble> joconnor: To blog or not to blog?
13:21:01 <SteveNoble> janina: Blogging in not needed
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13:21:54 <Judy> present+
13:23:16 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:23:16 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Media synchronization research. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:23:29 <jasonjgw> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/task-forces/research-questions/wiki/Media_Synchronization_Requirements
13:24:31 <joconnor> JW: We are hoping to develop this in the right direction
13:24:54 <joconnor> SN: I've been v busy with other things last week
13:25:07 <joconnor> I hope to get back to this, this week.
13:25:23 <joconnor> The main areas are sign language interpretation and synchronisation
13:25:38 <joconnor> Am looking at peer reviewed docs etc at the moment
13:25:58 <janina> q+
13:26:07 <joconnor> The most interesting stuff is around signing avatars - cutting edge work on automagic speech recognition
13:26:31 <joconnor> We dont have the body of recorded speech that has been converted into sign language
13:27:07 <joconnor> We have speech/voice activated stuff - for text but there is a gap for speech => sign transformation
13:27:42 <joconnor> There are issues about interpretation - around context and avatar synchronisation
13:27:46 <joconnor> Other comments?
13:27:48 <joconnor> ack jan
13:28:53 <joconnor> JS: I found out something interesting - relating to timing - a friend is an SL interpreter, she said the hearing person who signs, vs the natively deaf person who re-signs to be more understandable by the deaf community
13:29:05 <joconnor> So native signing vs learned
13:29:11 <joconnor> That has implications
13:29:45 <joconnor> SN: Yeah, that's interesting - I also work  in the area of audio description and gaming a11y
13:29:54 <joconnor> This point came up recently
13:30:35 <joconnor> <describes signer => sign => Audio description of singer and signer interplay>
13:31:23 <joconnor> This was with recorded video, will be challenging in live scenarios
13:31:31 <joconnor> Will look at literature on this.
13:32:06 <joconnor> JW: The question is, what  are preferences under certain conditions?
13:32:24 <joconnor> JP: Could be a cultural thing
13:32:38 <joconnor> There are levels of quality of signing..
13:33:08 <joconnor> Big D, first language signing vs learned etc
13:33:22 <joconnor> Some users may be deaf and read English v well.
13:33:47 <joconnor> There are variances in what is culturally acceptable
13:34:09 <joconnor> JS: There are variations of range, depending on real time vs pre-recorded
13:34:25 <joconnor> JP: The main issue with be in Live meeting environement
13:34:41 <joconnor> There is a latency issue
13:35:04 <joconnor> JP: Its not directly transcribing but interpretation
13:35:30 <joconnor> SN: The signer has to hear the whole sentence to sign
13:35:59 <joconnor> JW: So this is the issue for investigation?
13:36:17 <joconnor> SN: I can spend more time on this.
13:36:38 <joconnor> We can follow on next week.
13:37:11 <joconnor> JS: If we can pull this together we have two groups waiting, Silver and Timed Text want input from us
13:37:37 <joconnor> This is useful to promote better synchronisation of media.
13:38:19 <joconnor> JW: Thank you
13:38:35 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:38:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Accessibility of natural language interfaces. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:39:23 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Thanks to Josh on spending some time on this and make some improvements
13:39:26 <joconnor> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/apa/naur/naur/index.html
13:40:06 <joconnor> https://github.com/w3c/apa/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3Anaur
13:40:16 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Thanks to John for his comments as well
13:41:28 <SteveNoble> joconnor: Jason's initial framing was very useful
13:41:52 <SteveNoble> joconnor: Added a scetion on services and agents
13:42:51 <SteveNoble> joconnor: In a good place now for everyone to look at this and make sure we are good with the framework
13:43:15 <joconnor> q?
13:43:52 <joconnor> s/scetion/section
13:44:15 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Can spend more time on the framework if that is helpful
13:44:35 <janina> q+
13:44:50 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: There are cognitive issues we may need to cover and the accessibility of the underlying services
13:45:44 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Not all the requirements we have identified are in the document
13:45:51 <joconnor> ack janina
13:47:19 <SteveNoble> janina: Google added functionality to analyze individual's sleep patterns
13:50:14 <SteveNoble> janina: Privacy and security is an area we commonly look at
13:52:03 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Could add more to the framework - have the time
13:52:30 <SteveNoble> joconnor: Sounds good
13:52:54 <SteveNoble> joconnor: We need a tight review of the user needs
13:54:07 <SteveNoble> joconnor: A better understanding of the modality and the services
13:54:53 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Will look at the literature on natural language
13:54:58 <joconnor> q?
13:56:19 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Will dedicate some writing time to formalize the writing
13:57:05 <SteveNoble> jasonjgw: Will bring back for discussion
13:57:36 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
13:57:36 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
13:57:42 <janina> https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/
13:58:13 <SteveNoble> janina: Need to look at Content usable
13:58:54 <SteveNoble> Do a quick review next week
14:00:45 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
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