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15:00:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Meeting: PEWG
15:00:18 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Chair: Patrick H. Lauke
15:00:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-pointer-events/2021JanMar/0103.html
15:01:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Scribe: Patrick H. Lauke
15:01:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ Patrick_h_lauke
15:02:32 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ mustaq
15:02:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ plh
15:02:41 <Patrick_H_Lauke> present+ smaug
15:02:52 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: i have a few administrative things to mention
15:03:26 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: charter has been approved, we have a new PEWG for the next 2 years. business as usual
15:03:54 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: we have a new calendar system, used PEWG as a guinea pig. you probably saw notifications on mailing list. will keep working with Patrick as well
15:04:06 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: you can opt out of personal notifications on website if you want
15:05:44 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: Liviu did not get notifications
15:06:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: it might be if you're not part of working group. ask chris wilson to add you and it should all work
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15:07:14 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Topic: Reword/expand touch-action definition  https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/349
15:10:58 <mustaq> https://source.chromium.org/chromium/chromium/src/+/master:cc/input/touch_action.h;drc=9287e2cd3a6b75b0f640a1c0b4c198aa5d7c9c1f;l=43
15:15:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> [Discussion around "continuous zoom" and how it's an unfamiliar - made up - term. Suggestion that we *can* mention gesture names more directly (e.g. "pinch to zoom") as long as we don't try and *define* gestures.]
15:15:38 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: I can iterate on the wording a bit more by end of this week. If we could all look at github before next meeting and see if it makes sense.
15:16:13 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Patrick to tweak wording further, review for next meeting
15:16:17 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Topic: Major refactoring: refer to "direct manipulation" rather than "touch"  https://github.com/w3c/pointerevents/pull/350
15:20:04 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: [mentions the tension of "direct manipulation" as an ambiguous term]
15:20:31 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: as we're making up terms, maybe we could say "direct touchscreen manipulation" (which covers touch AND stylus)
15:20:53 <Patrick_H_Lauke> mustaq: this could still be confusing for situations like Wacom stylus, which is not on a touchscreen/direct
15:21:00 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: but OS treats it as if it were
15:21:40 <mustaq> I don't think in Chrome we differentiate between on-screen vs off-screen stylus.
15:22:41 <mustaq> But that's a futuristic question for us to resolve!
15:25:15 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: the situation is difficult either way. we won't be able to craft a term that covers all scenarios. but perhaps "direct touchscreen manipulation" covers the majority of what we want to say (not just finger/touch, but also stylus, but not mouse) and accept that Wacom type scenarios may be "weird"
15:28:05 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: i'd say let me try and see what the PR would look like with "direct touchscreen manipulation" in place. discuss on github for next meeting. it could well be that we can find something we're happy with. OR we may need to think of a completely fresh new approach. could even pull in some people who are not familiar with the spec to see if it makes sense to mere mortals
15:28:27 <Patrick_H_Lauke> ACTION: Patrick to tweak language to say "direct touchscreen manipulation", group to review for next time
15:30:17 <Patrick_H_Lauke> plh: [mentions that even though nothing changes for us, our ACs need to confirm that we are officially rejoining the PEWG]
15:35:51 <Patrick_H_Lauke> Patrick: thank you everybody. let's keep an eye on github and hopefully we can come up with wording for these two items that we can at a minimum live with, but ideally that make sense/are good. and hopefully by next meeting we can merge something.
15:35:57 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, set logs world-visible
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15:36:41 <Patrick_H_Lauke> rrsagent, bye
15:36:41 <RRSAgent> I see 2 open action items saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-pointerevents-actions.rdf :
15:36:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Patrick to tweak wording further, review for next meeting [1]
15:36:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-pointerevents-irc#T15-16-13
15:36:41 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Patrick to tweak language to say "direct touchscreen manipulation", group to review for next time [2]
15:36:41 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-pointerevents-irc#T15-28-27