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20:55:33 <trackbot> Meeting: Dataset Exchange Working Group Teleconference
20:55:33 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2021
20:55:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, make logs public
20:56:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:56:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlbertoni
20:57:25 <riccardoAlbertoni> regrets+ PWinstanley
20:57:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> RRSAgent, draft minutes
20:57:37 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html riccardoAlbertoni
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21:05:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> \me hi dave, do you need the webex link?
21:06:46 <AndreaPerego> present+
21:07:06 <DaveBr> present+
21:07:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> present+
21:08:27 <riccardoAlbertoni> Chair: RiccardoAlbertoni
21:08:46 <DaveBr> scribenick: DaveBr
21:09:05 <riccardoAlbertoni> PROPOSED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-dxwgdcat-minutes
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21:09:13 <DaveBr> topic: Last minutes
21:09:22 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:09:34 <DaveBr> +1
21:09:50 <riccardoAlbertoni> 0 i was not there
21:10:04 <DaveBr> draft minutes v2
21:10:16 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:10:16 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
21:10:27 <DaveBr> s/draft minutes v2//
21:10:29 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:10:33 <alejandra> present+
21:10:42 <alejandra> +1
21:10:47 <riccardoAlbertoni> RESOLVED: approve last meeting minutes  https://www.w3.org/2021/03/03-dxwgdcat-minutes
21:10:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.17
21:11:08 <AndreaPerego> topic: approve agenda
21:11:10 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Any updates to agenda?
21:11:10 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:11:30 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Silence indicates assent
21:11:33 <alejandra> I have a few questions about vocabularies that we adopt
21:11:41 <DaveBr> topic: Oustanding issues
21:12:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22requires+discussion%22+label%3Afeedback
21:13:13 <DaveBr> alejandra: eg checksum etc
21:13:31 <riccardoAlbertoni> Assign to volunteers the issues that can be advanced via draft PR  Discuss the remaining in two hours SPRINT and then split among editors Deal with one/two of them at the beginning of each meeting
21:14:29 <riccardoAlbertoni>  1) Assign to volunteers the issues that can be advanced via draft PR  2) Discuss the remaining in two hours SPRINT and then split among editors 3 ) Deal with one/two of them at the beginning of each meeting
21:14:40 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Approach to organising work for outstanding issues.  Assign to volunteers or use sprint?
21:14:50 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:14:57 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: ...Any other ideas or suggestions?
21:15:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:15:16 <alejandra> +1 to Andrea's comments
21:16:22 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Need to respond to some of these issues from outside the group - some of some age (2019).
21:16:47 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: .... they do deserve a reply/response
21:17:31 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: .... Some others could get a quick decision/reply so maybe during a quick call
21:17:44 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:17:44 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBr
21:18:26 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Do we want to go into a single issue now?  Can list them in next agenda?
21:18:26 <riccardoAlbertoni> can we vote for 1+3 ?
21:18:32 <alejandra> +1
21:18:32 <DaveBr> +1
21:18:36 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:18:38 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:18:52 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1246
21:19:55 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: I can handle this - is it controversial?
21:20:17 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Well, some of it is specific...
21:20:42 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: ....e.g point 4
21:21:34 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Well, I was volunteering for parts 1+2 of that.....if it needs more specific expertise....?
21:22:07 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Perhaps do a PR on 1+2 and then start conversation on rest?
21:22:27 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: .... let me document in an action....
21:22:29 <AndreaPerego> action: riccardoAlbertoni to create a PR to address points 1 and 2 of https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1246
21:22:30 <trackbot> Created ACTION-439 - Create a pr to address points 1 and 2 of https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1246 [on Riccardo Albertoni - due 2021-03-24].
21:22:44 <AndreaPerego> action: AndreaPerego to reply to points 3 and 4 of https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1246
21:22:44 <trackbot> Created ACTION-440 - Reply to points 3 and 4 of https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1246 [on Andrea Perego - due 2021-03-24].
21:22:55 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1126
21:23:09 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Are there others that can be advanced by PR?
21:24:43 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: I will make sure we have a list in the next agenda
21:24:54 <riccardoAlbertoni> topic: Feedback on PR #1323 about Distribution digest
21:24:58 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1322
21:25:17 <AndreaPerego> s/1322/1323/
21:25:37 <alejandra> This is the PR: https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/pull/1323
21:27:06 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Essentially to allow confirmation that what a user gets from the distribution is what they expect (checksum)
21:27:50 <DaveBr> alejandra: Agree this is necessary - important use case.
21:28:53 <DaveBr> alejandra: ... Links I'd found for spdx were quite old but now see that there is something more modern in github
21:28:58 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:30:01 <alejandra> This is the information I had found before:
21:30:02 <alejandra> https://wiki.spdx.org/view/SPDX_FAQ
21:30:04 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Standard way to cover licences etc with extensive list.  Not implemented as rdf but quite good coverage
21:30:23 <alejandra> but I notice that Andrea pointed to https://spdx.dev/
21:30:41 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: ... seems to be stable/well maintained
21:30:46 <alejandra> +q
21:31:17 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack
21:31:20 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:31:27 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: ... if we have concerns we could duplicate (like we did with PAV) but dont think is needed - this has active maintenance
21:31:46 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: I think this looks good to me.
21:32:12 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: ... there are a couple of questions still open...
21:32:41 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: ... around algorithms.
21:32:56 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: ... we could probably defer that till later
21:34:05 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: ...not a great issue since spdx is broadly used so the capabilities should exist to support sensible behaviour
21:34:09 <riccardoAlbertoni> q?
21:34:14 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:34:36 <DaveBr> alejandra: That clarifies a lot
21:34:51 <alejandra> https://spdx.org/rdf/terms/
21:35:06 <alejandra> https://spdx.github.io/spdx-spec/
21:35:09 <DaveBr> alejandra: is that the latest?
21:36:23 <DaveBr> alejandra: More generally, do we have some rules about when we handle like we did with PAV or when we can rely on something existing directly?
21:36:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> Data on the Web Best109Practice #15 “Use terms from shared vocabularies, preferably standardized1104 ones, to encode data and metadata.”
21:37:48 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Question is if there is adequate governance behind some standard/recommendation.  Perhaps for Philippe
21:38:11 <DaveBr> alejandra: Good - consideration of algorithms would be good
21:38:55 <DaveBr> alejandra: ... Should make sure we point at the best references in the bibliography
21:39:10 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
21:39:10 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBr
21:39:27 <AndreaPerego> https://spdx.dev/specifications/
21:39:52 <DaveBr> alejandra: Need a route through to RDF.  Also we should check the licence....
21:40:50 <DaveBr> alejandra: ... which looks okay
21:41:36 <AndreaPerego> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1322
21:42:35 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://www.w3.org/TR/prov-o/#inverse-names
21:42:39 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Not the first inverse property request we have had
21:43:30 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:43:41 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:43:54 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Prov-O handled as per link - so in generally don't have too many inverses, but a way to create them in specific circumstances
21:45:00 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Good approach - need to work through details
21:47:18 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: We are constrained by properties we inherited in earlier DCAT versions
21:47:39 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:47:40 <DaveBr> ... need to double check
21:47:48 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:49:57 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: We may need to have two groups of properties - some with explicit inverse, some with a more implicit version
21:50:16 <AndreaPerego> proposed: let's follow the PROV approach for inverse properties
21:50:20 <AndreaPerego> +1
21:50:22 <alejandra> +1
21:50:23 <riccardoAlbertoni> +1
21:50:23 <DaveBr> +1
21:50:27 <alejandra> +q
21:50:34 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack alejandra
21:50:37 <AndreaPerego> resolved: let's follow the PROV approach for inverse properties
21:52:30 <riccardoAlbertoni> q+
21:52:43 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:53:51 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
21:54:00 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack riccardoAlbertoni
21:55:33 <AndreaPerego> https://www.dublincore.org/specifications/dublin-core/dcmi-terms/#http://purl.org/dc/dcam/domainIncludes
21:55:39 <alejandra> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/912
21:57:25 <AndreaPerego> q+
21:57:37 <riccardoAlbertoni> ack AndreaPerego
22:00:17 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Different vocabularies address different communities so we should take that into account when we decide to adopt something from elsewhere
22:02:46 <riccardoAlbertoni> See discussion in comment https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1307#issuecomment-800595335 and below.
22:04:17 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: if people can review PR and get something through to ED.
22:05:25 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Wanted to raise the issue since I was aware of it.  We need to look at consistency we might need to adjust a little to make it practical.
22:08:13 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:08:13 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBr
22:08:24 <riccardoAlbertoni> https://github.com/w3c/dxwg/issues/1307#issuecomment-800595335
22:09:06 <DaveBr> riccardoAlbertoni: Continue this discussion in above thread since we have others interested
22:09:13 <DaveBr> AndreaPerego: Will do
22:09:23 <DaveBr> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:09:23 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html DaveBr
22:10:18 <AndreaPerego> Thanks, and bye
22:10:26 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:10:26 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego
22:11:17 <AndreaPerego> agenda: https://www.w3.org/2017/dxwg/wiki/Meetings:Telecon2021.03.17
22:11:19 <AndreaPerego> RRSAgent, draft minutes v2
22:11:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-dxwgdcat-minutes.html AndreaPerego