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15:42:11 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
15:42:11 <trackbot> Date: 17 March 2021
15:42:15 <janina> agenda?
15:42:22 <janina> Chair:  Janina
15:42:22 <janina> agenda+ Agenda Review & Announcements
15:42:22 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates: COGA -- Lisa
15:42:22 <janina> agenda+ Task Force Updates: Other TF
15:42:22 <janina> agenda+ FAST Progress
15:42:24 <janina> agenda+ New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22
15:42:27 <janina> agenda+ Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review
15:42:30 <janina> agenda+ new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html
15:42:33 <janina> agenda+ Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open
15:42:35 <janina> agenda+ APA Manifest Comment Response https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29
15:42:38 <janina> agenda+ Other Business
15:42:41 <janina> agenda+ be done
15:44:32 <janina>  regrets: Christos, Amy, Gottfried
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16:00:06 <paul_grenier> present+
16:00:21 <JPaton> present+ John_Paton
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16:02:56 <FredrikFischer> Hi everyone! Still out of a mic (working on that...). Hope you're all well.
16:03:09 <LisaSeemanKest> david take a look at https://www.w3.org/2020/10/TPAC/apa-personalization.html
16:03:35 <FredrikFischer> Welcome Lionel!
16:03:41 <janina> present+
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16:04:44 <Lionel_Wolberger> scribe: Lionel_Wolberger
16:04:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:04:52 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Announcements -- taken up [from janina]
16:05:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Some add'l items
16:05:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... responses to an APA comment that resulted in a seperate agendum
16:05:48 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... Lisa Seeman, a co-facilitator is here to kick start "content useable"
16:05:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... any additions to agenda?
16:06:13 <janina> https://www.w3.org/groups/
16:06:29 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a new calendaring tool is available
16:06:52 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... integrates with Google Calendar and Outlook
16:07:22 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... at some point we should review the a11y of this tool
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16:08:28 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: points out, this "groups" link does not show calendar
16:08:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> paul_grenier: Under working groups are accordions, under accordions there is a calendar tab, took some digging.
16:08:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: It's new
16:09:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... in beta
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16:10:19 <JF> Present+
16:10:20 <Lionel_Wolberger> becky: login, look on left hand side of the profile page, there is a my calendar section
16:11:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... you can start there
16:11:23 <Lionel_Wolberger> zakim, next item
16:11:23 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Task Force Updates: COGA -- Lisa -- taken up [from janina]
16:11:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Welcome, Lisa
16:11:48 <LisaSeemanKest> https://raw.githack.com/w3c/coga/consistency_checks/content-usable/index.html
16:12:04 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: COGA is asking to publish "Making Content Usable for People with Cognitive and Learning Disabilities"
16:12:10 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this is a note, not a specification
16:12:31 <Fazio_> q+
16:12:31 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... scenario: I've got a website and I want to include people with cognitive and learning disabilities
16:12:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... this document will help
16:14:05 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... not intended for legal compliance assessment, but meant as an actionable document
16:14:33 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... started by looking at research into an array of very different disabilities (learning, cognitive, intellectual, early stages of dementia)
16:14:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... a lot of this research was behind paywalls, so we had assistance from University personnel
16:15:32 <JF> I'm love, love, LOVING the pesonas: https://www.w3.org/TR/coga-usable/#persona
16:16:18 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... asking APA to publish this as a note
16:16:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... might be a version 2 in future
16:16:39 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... that would include mental health, artificial intelligence
16:16:59 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... impact of different languages (feedback from i18n)
16:17:35 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... next version would include co-morbidity (when a person has two problems)
16:17:56 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: lets not allow the perfect ot be the enemy of the good-enough
16:18:11 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: We may have some proofreading needed, editorial review
16:18:47 <LisaSeemanKest> q?
16:18:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: there will be a call for consensus in the next hour
16:19:17 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: (sees some funny characters on this line, to "œthe driver's side" or "œthe East Wing".)
16:19:57 <LisaSeemanKest> yes, that is what we were talking about
16:20:02 <Lionel_Wolberger> q+
16:20:26 <janina> q?
16:20:32 <MichaelC> q+ to say AG CfC delayed, best to do in parallel
16:20:57 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Super +1 to including the personas
16:21:00 <becky> +1 on JF comment on the great personas
16:21:19 <janina> ack df
16:21:34 <janina> ack faz
16:21:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> davidfazio: this is very useful to functional needs
16:22:21 <joconnor> present+
16:22:24 <JF> Q+
16:22:29 <janina> ack li
16:22:30 <joconnor> Also congrats on the personas
16:22:33 <janina> ack mi
16:22:33 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say AG CfC delayed, best to do in parallel
16:22:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> MichaelC: The AG call for consensus is going to be delayed, so APA CFC may need to be held off
16:23:21 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: (asks davidfazio-- what is your handle in this IRC chat?)
16:23:43 <janina> ack jf
16:23:51 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: Fazio_ : I see Fazio now, ignore.
16:24:14 <paul_grenier> q+
16:24:45 <Lionel_Wolberger> JF: Personas are so helpful to bring people gently to "things they dont know", they break down barriers
16:25:11 <FredrikFischer> +1 on the personas. Brilliant!
16:25:16 <Lionel_Wolberger> Fazio_: I have seen these personas taken up already, so they are helping.
16:25:50 <Lionel_Wolberger> janina: Personas are particularly important when disabilities are "hidden"
16:27:24 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: We have sought out a PTSD persona, and found it hard to find, partially because the vulnerable population itself often denies having the issue
16:27:40 <Lionel_Wolberger> LisaSeemanKest: A lot of people hide COGA-related disabilities, particularly at work
16:27:49 <Lionel_Wolberger> ... cultural issues are relevant
16:28:00 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: shout out to becky , can you take over scribing
16:28:03 <Lionel_Wolberger> present+
16:28:07 <becky> scribe: becky
16:28:27 <Lionel_Wolberger> Lionel_Wolberger: thanks Becky! see y'all soon
16:28:58 <janina> q?
16:29:01 <janina> ack p
16:29:14 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
16:29:26 <paul_grenier> ack paul_grenier
16:29:33 <janina> ack li
16:30:02 <FredrikFischer> I'd also like to submit myself for COGA consideration if possible.
16:30:02 <becky> paul_grenier: just a reminder that sleep deprivation and other "common" issues does affect mental health
16:30:33 <janina> q?
16:30:46 <becky> LisaSeemanKest : yes there is an overlap
16:31:14 <becky> janina :  there will be a cfc soon
16:31:22 <becky> zakim, next item
16:31:22 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Task Force Updates: Other TF -- taken up [from janina]
16:31:50 <becky> janina : anything from other task forces? ... nothing heard so moving forward
16:31:56 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:31:56 <Zakim> agendum 3 closed
16:31:57 <Zakim> I see 8 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:31:57 <Zakim> 4. FAST Progress [from janina]
16:32:03 <becky> zakim, next item
16:32:03 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- FAST Progress -- taken up [from janina]
16:33:20 <becky> MichaelC : Silver TF restarted functional task force, looking at user needs, Josh has updated list of user needs at a high level - will cycle through the functional tf and then back to silver
16:33:48 <becky> MichaelC : for feedback before encorporating into FAST
16:33:53 <becky> zakim, next item
16:33:53 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- New Charters Review https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Horizontal+review+requested%22 -- taken up [from janina]
16:34:27 <becky> MichaelC : no new charters this week
16:34:27 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:34:27 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
16:34:28 <Zakim> I see 6 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:34:28 <Zakim> 6. Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review [from janina]
16:34:31 <becky> zakim, next item
16:34:31 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Horizontal Review Issues Tracker https://w3c.github.io/horizontal-issue-tracker/?repo=w3c/a11y-review -- taken up [from janina]
16:34:58 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/CSP3/ Content Security Policy Level 3
16:35:12 <becky> MichaelC : Content security policy level 3; there is an old action to ask them if this affect bookmarklets
16:35:30 <becky> becky : I believe I was supposed do that and have not done
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16:36:09 <becky> MichaelC : image resource - JF has an action on this one
16:36:28 <becky> MichaelC : indexed data API 3.0
16:36:33 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/IndexedDB-3/ Indexed Database API 3.0
16:37:04 <becky> MichaelC :defines apis of a database of apis of key value pairs; dev uses api to search fo db entries
16:37:18 <becky> Janina: no objections to signing off
16:37:23 <MichaelC> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/post-spectre-webdev/ Post-Spectre Web Development
16:38:03 <becky> MichaelC: Need to adopt new strategies for threat model for detecting and addressing threats
16:38:28 <becky> paul_grenier : spectre is threat detection
16:39:20 <becky> MichaelC : believe it is lower level after a skim read and don't believe we need to worry about
16:40:04 <becky> paul_grenier : yes, this is lower level, don't believe we need to worry
16:40:27 <becky> this last was new on TR - now moving to HR
16:41:15 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/474
16:41:19 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/475
16:41:24 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/silver/issues/476
16:41:31 <becky> MichaelC : issues about meetings; were discussed these at RQTF
16:42:28 <becky> MichaelC : if we track these, we could hold up WCAG 3 moving forward until we respond
16:42:41 <becky> janina : expect a quick resolution within weeks via RQTF
16:43:03 <becky> MichaelC : will need to circle back when we have a response to the above
16:43:06 <MichaelC> https://github.com/w3c/csswg-drafts/issues/5983
16:43:19 <becky> MichaelC : CSS fonts - advance override details
16:44:42 <becky> ian: I looked at this last week; No concerns from me, has to do with font shaping at the font level; nothing will override user preferences; it adds additional ways of displaying fonts
16:45:13 <becky> janina : want to consider further; reference at silver call to bbc research into the usability of fonts
16:46:18 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
16:46:47 <becky> IanPouncey : more result presented at conf. last week - result was there is no really best guidance - everything is individualized; this spec doesn't override any set user preferences
16:46:53 <JF> I believe the 'expert' Janina is referencing is Bruno Maag, Typeface Designer at Dalton Maag, who did work for BBC, and as Ian notes, continues to do so
16:47:57 <becky> MichaelC : just recently CSS decided to drop the advanced override feature, are we still okay with that
16:48:02 <janina> ack l
16:49:43 <becky> LisaSeemanKest : people have used extension to put your own css on the page; I think we want to promote user preferences - these can make the page more readable for the person;
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16:50:05 <LisaSeemanKest> q+
16:50:28 <becky> ian: this just allows an adjustment at the font level - you can still make font adjustments via user preferences
16:51:28 <becky> IanPouncey : this override is not about user preferences, it is overriding the settings within a font definition
16:52:39 <becky> Janina: want to defer further discussion on the override user preference - this doesn't seem to be the specification. for that
16:52:39 <Fazio_> +1
16:53:18 <becky> LisaSeemanKest : need to be aware of movement when font is changed
16:53:28 <janina> q?
16:53:45 <janina> ack li
16:54:07 <becky> IanPouncey : that is not part of this spec.
16:54:28 <becky> Janina: okay to pass on this
16:54:28 <becky> zakim, next item
16:54:28 <Zakim> agendum 7 -- new on TR http://www.w3.org/TR/tr-status-drafts.html -- taken up [from janina]
16:54:44 <becky> TR was taken up above under horizontal review
16:54:50 <becky> zakim, close this item
16:54:50 <Zakim> agendum 7 closed
16:54:51 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
16:54:51 <Zakim> 8. Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open [from janina]
16:54:54 <becky> zakim, next item
16:54:54 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Actions Checkin (Specs) https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/actions/open -- taken up [from janina]
16:55:20 <becky> janina : John F from last week #2284
16:55:30 <becky> JF: no action this week
16:56:58 <becky> JF: the notion of label has been introduced within the image - rather than alt; we need to make sure that label info is included into the a11y tree
16:57:06 <becky> zakim, next item
16:57:06 <Zakim> agendum 9 -- APA Manifest Comment Response https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29 -- taken up [from janina]
16:57:25 <JF> scribe: JF
16:57:58 <JF> becky: we had a comment with a CfC that Paul did for Web Manifest
16:58:40 <JF> we've received a response and they have a pull request for our first issue, but they are "on the fence" on the second issue
16:58:59 <JF> not sure we want an actual "description" field
16:59:29 <JF> PG: the label = the Accessible Name, but we also need the ability for an Accessible Description
16:59:54 <JF> so perhaps we can clarify the comment for a clearer response
17:00:06 <becky> rrsagent, make minutes
17:00:06 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-apa-minutes.html becky
17:00:15 <JF> ACTION: Paul G to follow up on the response to https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29
17:00:15 <trackbot> 'Paul' is an ambiguous username. Please try a different identifier, such as family name or username (e.g., paulbohman, pgrenier).
17:00:32 <FredrikFischer> Thanks everyone, scribes aplenty anbd the rest! All the best from Vienna. See you!
17:00:40 <JF> ACTION on paul_grenier to follow up on the response to https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29
17:00:40 <trackbot> Error finding 'on'. You can review and register nicknames at <https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/track/users>.
17:01:24 <becky> zakim, end meeting
17:01:26 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been paul_grenier, John_Paton, Fazio_, IanPouncey, FredrikFischer, janina, LisaSeemanKest, IrfanA, becky, JonnyJames, JF, joconnor,
17:01:26 <Zakim> ... Lionel_Wolberger
17:01:27 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
17:01:27 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-apa-minutes.html Zakim
17:01:29 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, becky; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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17:02:28 <becky> rrsagent, bye
17:02:28 <RRSAgent> I see 1 open action item saved in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-apa-actions.rdf :
17:02:28 <RRSAgent> ACTION: Paul G to follow up on the response to https://github.com/w3c/manifest-app-info/issues/29 [1]
17:02:28 <RRSAgent>   recorded in https://www.w3.org/2021/03/17-apa-irc#T17-00-15