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18:34:34 <Zakim> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
18:34:45 <jeanne> Meeting: Silver Task Force & Community Group
18:34:45 <jeanne> present:
18:34:45 <jeanne> chair: Shawn, jeanne
18:34:45 <jeanne> present+
18:34:45 <jeanne> zakim, clear agenda
18:34:45 <jeanne> rrsagent, make minutes
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18:34:45 <jeanne> q?
18:34:46 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:35:00 <jeanne> agenda+ reminder of Daylight Savings time change starting 14 March
18:35:00 <jeanne> agenda+ Highlights of APA media queries presentation
18:35:00 <jeanne> agenda+ Highlights of WCAG3-applicable conference presentations
18:35:00 <jeanne> agenda+ writing proposals for general Issues outside a subgroup
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19:01:50 <Fazio> present+
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19:02:28 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:02:28 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- reminder of Daylight Savings time change starting 14 March -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:02:31 <sajkaj> present+
19:02:35 <SuzanneTaylor> present+
19:03:15 <SuzanneTaylor> JS: Daylight savings time starts next week, so please check the meeting times for your area, since it may have changed
19:03:17 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:03:17 <Zakim> agendum 1 was just opened, jeanne
19:03:22 <laura> present+ Laura_Carlson
19:03:32 <jeanne> zakim, close item 1
19:03:32 <Zakim> agendum 1, reminder of Daylight Savings time change starting 14 March, closed
19:03:34 <Zakim> I see 3 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:03:34 <Zakim> 2. Highlights of APA media queries presentation [from jeanne]
19:03:37 <Lauriat> Present+
19:03:37 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:03:37 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Highlights of APA media queries presentation -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:04:07 <SuzanneTaylor> JS: Asks Janina for an update
19:04:18 <Fazio> It was great!
19:04:46 <laura> Agreed. Great info.
19:04:56 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: we are working on creating a clean presentation, and will post online, probably next week
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19:05:17 <Shri> Present+
19:05:37 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: the presentation was on CSS media queries 5, which has some accessibility-related values
19:06:14 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: values include reduced motion, high contrast, and suggestions of additional values that APA might request from the CSS group
19:06:44 <jeanne> q+
19:06:55 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: will post list as soon as it is ready, feel free to share it widely
19:07:17 <SuzanneTaylor> s/will post list/will video to list
19:07:39 <Fazio> he mentioned dark mode
19:07:41 <sajkaj> https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-5/
19:07:49 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: you mentioned a high contrast option, is there also a low contrast option?
19:08:05 <Lauriat> https://www.w3.org/TR/mediaqueries-5/#prefers-contrast (high, low, forced, no-preference)
19:08:16 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: posted a link in response
19:08:51 <Fazio> +1 to Jeanne
19:09:09 <Lauriat> q+ to suggest OS instead of browsers, who should just respect it
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19:09:30 <jeanne> ack jeanne
19:09:34 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Concern is turning the options on and off through potentially many different custom UIs, would be nice to get this into browsers
19:09:47 <jeanne> ack laur
19:09:47 <Zakim> Lauriat, you wanted to suggest OS instead of browsers, who should just respect it
19:11:01 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: agrees it should not just be browser-based
19:11:09 <jeanne> q?
19:11:41 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:11:41 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Highlights of WCAG3-applicable conference presentations -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:11:43 <SuzanneTaylor> David: has brought this up with Coga, and they plan to see what they can do with it as well
19:12:46 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: there was a presentation by BBC on making VR accessible to people with cognitive disabilities
19:13:22 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: will refer to XR subgroup. Presenter said that it is okay not to cover all disabilities, but it is important to be honest upfront
19:13:55 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: A different group from BBC did research on the accessibility of 20 different fonts and the differences between the fonts
19:14:42 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: They test 3 fonts that are supposed to be good for people with dyslexia, but found that people with dyslexia in the study did not prefer those fonts, and actually preferred others
19:14:46 <sajkaj> q+
19:14:47 <Lauriat> Related, a CSUN presentation: "Making Design & Fonts More Accessible with Material Design"
19:14:56 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Would like to be sure the visual contrast people pick up that research
19:15:11 <Lauriat> (I didn't see it, but heard good things about it)
19:15:30 <SuzanneTaylor> Janina: Was there any generalizable advice as to what would be best for dyslexia?
19:16:27 <Fazio> We did a study for McDonalds with children and fonts for dyslexia, and had similar results
19:16:34 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Can share a copy of the transcript. But it appeared that the san-serif fonts were actually more difficult, because letters could more easily blend together
19:16:59 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: but it was very detailed research
19:17:23 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: both these sessions should be freely available, probably next week
19:18:02 <SuzanneTaylor> Shawn: There was a related presentation at CSUN
19:18:39 <SuzanneTaylor> David: This might be demographically dependent, as children in a McDonalds gaming study preferred cartoon-styled fonts
19:19:27 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Any other interesting talks from this week, anyone would like to share?
19:19:32 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:19:32 <Zakim> I see a speaker queue remaining and respectfully decline to close this agendum, jeanne
19:19:38 <jeanne> ack saj
19:19:43 <jeanne> zakim, take up next
19:19:43 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- writing proposals for general Issues outside a subgroup -- taken up [from jeanne]
19:20:27 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: I am almost finished moving email comments into github, therefore there are a lot of new issues
19:21:03 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: 259 open issues, plus two sets of comments from large organizations, which will likely create 20 more issues
19:21:36 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: 176 assigned to editors | about 300 total
19:22:18 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: They are sorted by document section, mostly. Many don't really fit into a subgroup.
19:23:22 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: They need to be sorted and grouped. Some are easy to address, and need someone to propose new bits language to resolve issues. Such as "instead of writing x here, let's write y"
19:23:37 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: volunteers are needed to write such proposals
19:23:48 <SuzanneTaylor> Rich: I'm happy to help out
19:25:33 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: We said we need to get a group together to review UX for TOC of WCAG 3. I will check but I believe it was Rich, David and Jennifer who volunteered. We did get many comments related to this.
19:25:38 <SuzanneTaylor> Rich: sign me up
19:26:22 <SuzanneTaylor> Rich: can bring perspective of consumer who is not overly immersed in standards
19:27:17 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: something I learned from reading all of the comments, was that there are many items that need additional explanation
19:27:50 <SuzanneTaylor> Rich: I believe there are many simple changes that will make a big difference. For example "normative" often takes a while to explain.
19:28:48 <jeanne> https://github.com/w3c/silver/labels/Subgroup:%20editors?page=2&q=is%3Aopen+label%3A%22Subgroup%3A+editors%22
19:28:51 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: We need a group to work on the requirements document, as there were a number of related comments. Are there volunteers to work on that?
19:30:06 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: there are 30 comments on requirements. Rochelle and I were discussing combining related comments so they are all handled together to avoid conflicts
19:30:28 <SuzanneTaylor> Suzanne: I can volunteer to work on that
19:30:35 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: any others?
19:32:44 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: one way to start is to place everything into a google doc and then begin writing proposals
19:33:00 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: any additional approaches that anyone would like to suggest?
19:33:30 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: want to acknowledge how wonderful it was that folks jumped in to help out with triage
19:34:18 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: And also that now all of the issues filed on time on the main list have been entered into Github (other than the ones that were submitted as PDFs - we requested source documents)
19:34:35 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Is currently sorting the comments that arrived through other lists
19:35:30 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Encourage people to take a look at the issues that are there for topics that you are interested in - consider writing proposals, which can be to make a change, or to not make a change
19:35:55 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: please consider and email me if so, I'll help connect you with other who want to help
19:36:06 <SuzanneTaylor> Jeanne: Other agenda items for today?
19:36:18 <Lauriat> q?
19:36:20 <jeanne> agenda?
19:36:53 <jeanne> zakim, close item 4
19:36:53 <Zakim> agendum 4, writing proposals for general Issues outside a subgroup, closed
19:36:55 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
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