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13:51:56 <trackbot> Meeting: Accessible Platform Architectures Working Group Teleconference
13:51:56 <trackbot> Date: 03 March 2021
13:52:03 <jasonjgw> chair: jasonjgw
13:52:07 <jasonjgw> agenda+        RAUR and XAUR  any updates.
13:52:07 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Accessibility of natural language interfaces.
13:52:07 <jasonjgw> agenda+        Miscellaneous updates and topics relevant to Task Force work.
13:52:17 <jasonjgw> present+
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14:02:24 <joconnor> present+
14:02:24 <scott_h> present+
14:02:58 <shadi> present+
14:03:14 <jpaton> present+
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14:03:39 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:03:39 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- RAUR and XAUR  any updates. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
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14:03:45 <janina> present+
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14:05:10 <jpaton> joconnor: we're in a position to be able to publish
14:05:46 <jpaton> joconnor: do we try to publish together?
14:06:02 <jpaton> janina: would recommend doing it sequentially
14:06:13 <joconnor> q+ to say I'm not sure we need wide review for XAUR
14:06:29 <joconnor> ack me
14:06:29 <Zakim> joconnor, you wanted to say I'm not sure we need wide review for XAUR
14:07:17 <jasonjgw> zakim, next item
14:07:17 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Accessibility of natural language interfaces. -- taken up [from jasonjgw]
14:08:06 <jpaton> jasonjgw: currently in the scoping phase with some fruitful discussions taking place
14:08:41 <joconnor> https://www.w3.org/WAI/APA/wiki/Voice_agent_user_requirements
14:09:14 <jpaton> joconnor: work is progressing nicely
14:10:50 <jpaton> joconnor: current issue is that the scope is currently very broad so a decision to narrow the scope or keep it wide and choose focusses carefully
14:11:36 <janina> q+
14:11:55 <jpaton> jasonjgw: I contacted a colleague working on this in an educational setting and they were interested
14:12:38 <joconnor> ack jan
14:13:21 <jpaton> janina: Good question raised: will w3c be writing standards in this area?
14:15:46 <jpaton> janina: if not then APA creating user requirements would be new and unchartered territory. Do we want that?
14:16:32 <janina> q?
14:17:37 <joconnor> I thought Jasons point about WCAG 3 defining Voice, if there is a dearth of other W3C standards work was noteworthy.
14:19:30 <jpaton> scott_h: are the wcag 3 taskforce aware that we may be looking to feed this into their work?
14:20:52 <jpaton> joconnor: If this isn't tackled as a seperate project then wcag 3 may be taken as the guidance for this topic
14:21:00 <joconnor> q+
14:22:00 <jpaton> Judy: it's fine to take up a new topic and lay groundwork for a new area of work. This has been referenced as a priority piece of work in a year or two.
14:23:30 <jpaton> shadi: agree should not be driven just by wcag or other work happening in w3C.
14:24:34 <shadi> https://www.w3.org/WAI/about/projects/wai-coop/
14:25:05 <jpaton> shadi: driving factor should be on what is happening in the world and what guidance may be needed on products being designed in future
14:25:41 <jpaton> shadi: WAI-coop could be used to gather input from other groups
14:26:17 <Judy> q+
14:26:29 <jpaton> shadi: question on width of scope could be opened up for input from other groups
14:27:18 <Judy> q+ to comment on feasible scope of activities, as well as extent of time in naming discussions
14:28:00 <MichaelC> q+ to talk about voice interaction vs agent functionality vs other interaction modalities
14:29:15 <jpaton> joconnor: question of whether we have a mandate: one answer could be to do it in a modular way. Maybe start with speech then extend to background services etc
14:29:21 <janina> q+
14:29:41 <jpaton> joconnor: shadi's suggestions of gap analysis would be great
14:29:44 <joconnor> ack me
14:29:46 <joconnor> ack ju
14:29:46 <Zakim> Judy, you wanted to comment on feasible scope of activities, as well as extent of time in naming discussions
14:31:33 <jpaton> Judy: putting a lot of work into scoping may be ambitious for the capacity of the RQTF
14:32:55 <joconnor> q?
14:33:04 <jpaton> shadi: aim would be for external work to support the team rather than all the work to happen in team
14:33:15 <joconnor> ack mich
14:33:15 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to talk about voice interaction vs agent functionality vs other interaction modalities
14:34:18 <shadi> +1 to Michael!
14:34:38 <Judy> q+
14:34:46 <Judy> q+ jason
14:34:50 <Judy> q- later
14:35:08 <joconnor> +1 to Michael
14:35:09 <jpaton> MichaelC: there's a bit of overlapping. Voice interaction has it's own set of a11y issues. smart agents are one thing that uses this tool. Scope needs to be crisply defined. suggest focus on voice interaction then smart agents.
14:36:35 <shadi> +1 to Michael (again)
14:36:52 <jpaton> janina: core of a smart agent uses some text processing based on speech recognition interface. This could have different interface.
14:36:54 <Judy> https://github.com/w3c/strategy/issues/221
14:37:29 <jpaton> MichaelC: voice interface itself has a11y issues before handing data to the smart agent.
14:38:56 <joconnor> q+ to talk about timing and to say there is an opportunity here to be part of a wider move towards VUIs
14:39:19 <jpaton> jasonjgw: much of the work here will be modality independent but there will be aspects confined to the individual modalites.
14:39:28 <Judy> q?
14:39:34 <Judy> ack jan
14:39:38 <Judy> ack jas
14:40:08 <shadi> q+
14:40:13 <jpaton> jasonjgw: work could cover NLP interactions with subdivisions on concerns for the interaction modalities.
14:40:13 <MichaelC> q+ to say speech will be used in emerging technologies, we should anticipate that
14:40:29 <shadi> q- later
14:43:19 <MichaelC> q+ to say a smart agent with only a voice interface is not accessible
14:43:44 <joconnor> ack judy
14:43:47 <joconnor> ack me
14:43:47 <Zakim> joconnor, you wanted to talk about timing and to say there is an opportunity here to be part of a wider move towards VUIs
14:46:10 <jpaton> Judy: need to ensure needs of deaf and hard of hearing concerns are taken into account so focus should not be just on voice interactions
14:46:14 <MichaelC> ack me
14:46:14 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say speech will be used in emerging technologies, we should anticipate that and to say a smart agent with only a voice interface is not accessible
14:47:50 <jpaton> MichaelC: a smart agent or any tool that only offers voice interaction is not accessible and would not meet WCAG
14:48:32 <Judy> q+
14:49:54 <joconnor> q?
14:49:57 <joconnor> ack sha
14:50:40 <jpaton> shadi: a smaller scope may be easier to handle. Voice agents are a specific class of device which need accessibility guidance.
14:50:46 <joconnor> +1 to Shadi
14:53:37 <jpaton> Judy: by creating guidelines we create a conceptual anchor. We can focus on one class of device but should try to balance that with the aim to set that anchor to influence thought.
14:54:03 <joconnor> q?
14:54:08 <shadi> q+
14:54:27 <joconnor> q+
14:54:32 <Judy> s/creating guidelines/framing an accessibility user requirements document/
14:55:03 <MichaelC> q+
14:55:10 <shadi> q-
14:55:12 <MichaelC> q+ to say I came in to look at scope creep
14:55:28 <MichaelC> q+ to say W3C is not a shining example of avoiding scope and confounding problems
14:55:49 <joconnor> ack Judy
14:56:42 <shadi> q+
14:57:34 <joconnor> ack joconnor
14:57:38 <MichaelC> ack me
14:57:38 <Zakim> MichaelC, you wanted to say I came in to look at scope creep and to say W3C is not a shining example of avoiding scope and confounding problems
14:58:11 <jpaton> joconnor: feel we should start with voice agents and set the expansion on that as further work.
14:59:59 <jpaton> shadi: potentially set title as "accessibility of voice agents with advice on accessibility through other modalities"
15:00:56 <shadi> s/advice on accessibility through other modalities/cross-disability considerations
15:01:31 <shadi> q+
15:02:50 <joconnor> ack shadi
15:03:05 <joconnor> SAZ: I may be missing something, but what is wrong with the term voice?
15:03:30 <joconnor> JW: I think that it refers to a particular output modality.
15:03:46 <joconnor> SAZ: So does Television.
15:03:58 <joconnor> JB: No, its multimodal.
15:04:22 <joconnor> JW:  My concern is because many dont have to those broad multimodal capabilities.
15:04:47 <joconnor> Defining your software as a topic, sends a particular message to how they are defined.
15:05:37 <joconnor> You are using a modality specific term, independent of implementation - needs a more inclusive term..
15:06:38 <joconnor> SH: Lets keep this on email.
15:06:53 <joconnor> I have thoughts on how the Amazon echo works and supports deaf users etc
15:14:44 <jasonjgw> zakim, bye
15:14:44 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been jasonjgw, joconnor, scott_h, shadi, jpaton, SteveNoble, janina
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