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15:15:11 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), ivan
15:15:22 <ivan> Meeting: DID WG Telco
15:15:22 <ivan> Chair: brent
15:15:22 <ivan> Date: 2021-03-02
15:15:22 <ivan> Agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2021Feb/0021.html
15:15:22 <ivan> ivan has changed the topic to: Meeting Agenda 2021-03-02: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-did-wg/2021Feb/0021.html
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16:01:41 <JoeAndrieu> brent: agenda starting
16:01:41 <ivan> present+ phila
16:01:44 <JoeAndrieu> let's go
16:01:49 <rhiaro> scribe+ JoeAndrieu
16:01:59 <JoeAndrieu> ... no special topic call this week
16:02:05 <JoeAndrieu> ... talking about transition to CR
16:02:08 <ivan> present+ drummond
16:02:10 <JoeAndrieu> ... test suite resolution
16:02:14 <JoeAndrieu> ... issues
16:02:23 <JoeAndrieu> ... voting for publication of other notes
16:02:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... any additions?
16:02:39 <JoeAndrieu> ... Ok. Introductions...
16:02:45 <ivan> present+ shigeya
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16:03:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... moving on
16:03:43 <JoeAndrieu> ... No special topic call this week.
16:03:45 <brent> Topic: No special call
16:04:23 <JoeAndrieu> ... Everyone gets an hour back
16:04:30 <brent> Topic: Notice of Time to Vote for Transition to CR
16:04:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... We'll resume the fun next week
16:04:45 <ivan> present+ adrian
16:04:46 <JoeAndrieu> ... Notice: our time for review is done.
16:05:03 <JoeAndrieu> ... We have a static document that we will be voting on next Tuesday, Mar 9
16:05:14 <manu> https://www.w3.org/TR/2021/WD-did-core-20210302/
16:05:18 <ivan> present+ burn
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16:05:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... This is the version of text that we will be voting on next Tuesday.
16:05:38 <agropper> present+
16:05:49 <JoeAndrieu> ... This begins a stretch where we ask the group to carefully consider before raising new issues or PRs.
16:06:11 <JoeAndrieu> ... As we transition to CR, we are hoping to present to W3C management that we have addressed the issues that have come before us.
16:06:22 <JoeAndrieu> ... We'd like to present a nearly empty issue set
16:06:46 <JoeAndrieu> ... We *will* still be making editorial changes. Bug fixes. Typos. That can be easily made.
16:07:03 <JoeAndrieu> ... as we get implementation feedback we may need to make substantive changes
16:07:10 <JoeAndrieu> ... in which case, we'd go through a 2nd CR
16:07:13 <manu> q+
16:07:14 <burn> q+
16:07:19 <JoeAndrieu> ... and we've prepared to have time for that.
16:07:19 <brent> ack manu
16:07:37 <JoeAndrieu> manu: we mentioned this previously. The security and privacy considerations are NOT normative.
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16:07:50 <JoeAndrieu> ... there is no language in there that should modify implementations.
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16:08:21 <JoeAndrieu> ... We only had so much time to rewrite, so the security and privacy section have not had a detailed review.
16:08:31 <JoeAndrieu> ... So if we find problems, we can still fix those.
16:08:39 <brent> ack burn
16:08:39 <JoeAndrieu> ... However, the main part of the specification should be solid
16:08:48 <chriswinc> present+
16:09:18 <JoeAndrieu> burn: at this point, in order for us to vote next week, we have to be able to vote on a single fixed URL that is stable enough for people to confirm it is what they believe it is.
16:09:27 <JoeAndrieu> ... minor editorial issues are fine
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16:09:54 <JoeAndrieu> ... and I can't ask you to not submit issues. However, please consider if your request is worth pushing another week further.
16:10:13 <JoeAndrieu> ... We do believe the document represents our best understanding of the group consensus
16:10:17 <ivan> present+ identitywoman
16:10:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... That is what we are voting on.
16:10:46 <JoeAndrieu> brent: No one else no the queue. Moving forward.
16:10:51 <brent> https://www.w3.org/2019/did-wg/Meetings/Minutes/2021-02-25-did-topic#resolution1
16:11:04 <JoeAndrieu> ... During our last special topic call, we talked about the test suite.
16:11:08 <JoeAndrieu> ... We had a resolution.
16:11:11 <ivan> Topic: test suite
16:11:33 <JoeAndrieu> ... Not expecting to vote today, but wanted to let the group know about it
16:11:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... we don't anticipate this is complicated. more of a statement of intention for the test suite.
16:12:00 <justin_r> q+
16:12:02 <JoeAndrieu> ... Any comments?
16:12:11 <brent> ack justin_r
16:12:28 <JoeAndrieu> justin_r: The serialization in question include defined serializations for metadata input, output, and error codes.
16:13:04 <JoeAndrieu> brent: yes. the language is such that such limitations could be represented in JSON, so we can use JSON to improve the tests
16:13:20 <JoeAndrieu> ... That methodology for that is up to the party writing the tests.
16:13:22 <JoeAndrieu> ... Questions?
16:13:59 <JoeAndrieu> ... To my knowledge, all of the sections have been assigned, and test suite tests should be forthcoming
16:14:13 <brent> Topic: Resolve Issues 693, 694, 695
16:14:15 <manu> q+ to cover issues
16:14:23 <markus_sabadello> q+
16:14:24 <JoeAndrieu> ... issues
16:14:26 <brent> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/labels/question
16:14:32 <brent> ack manu
16:14:32 <Zakim> manu, you wanted to cover issues
16:14:39 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues?q=is%3Aissue+is%3Aopen+-label%3Adefer-v2
16:14:53 <JoeAndrieu> manu: current list of open issues, exclusing those already picked to defer
16:15:02 <JoeAndrieu> ... issues are looking good
16:15:09 <JoeAndrieu> ... five that staff will handle
16:15:18 <JoeAndrieu> ... two that are remaining open during RC
16:15:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... four issues that we need to talk about briefly today
16:15:53 <JoeAndrieu> ... we had invited the issue creator, Jack Tanner, to the call. Jack are you here?
16:16:17 <JoeAndrieu> ... What we are trying to do is close these while making sure the group considered them.
16:16:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... Several feel that these are well represented in the spec already.
16:16:38 <brent> ack markus_sabadello
16:16:50 <JoeAndrieu> markus_sabadello: we had a call within the DIF yesterday
16:16:58 <JoeAndrieu> ... in one of the working groups working on this
16:17:12 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/693
16:17:14 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/694
16:17:17 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/695
16:17:19 <manu> https://github.com/w3c/did-core/issues/697
16:17:19 <JoeAndrieu> ... we came to the conclusion that Jack's use case could be addressed by adding a new cryptosuite or verification method
16:17:34 <JoeAndrieu> ... we don't believe we need any changes to the current spec
16:17:46 <JoeAndrieu> ... These first three should be fine.
16:18:02 <JoeAndrieu> ... #697 was more about the controller property on verification methods
16:18:24 <JoeAndrieu> ... Conclusion is that while it might be hard to understand that property, there isn't a need to change the specification.
16:18:33 <brent> q?
16:18:34 <manu> q+
16:18:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... Speaking on behalf of Jack, I'll write a summary and close the issues
16:18:50 <brent> ack manu
16:18:56 <JoeAndrieu> manu: Thanks, Markus. Please comment & close.
16:19:09 <JoeAndrieu> ... if we close those, then that's all we need to handle before we go to CR.
16:19:27 <JoeAndrieu> brent: before our final topic, I have some soapbox as chair.
16:19:55 <JoeAndrieu> ... It has been great working with this group. People who are passionate about what we came together to get this done. I'm grateful to be a part of it.
16:20:04 <manu> also -- hoooray to the Brent, Dan, and Ivan for their steady hand in directing the group through the standards jungle!!! :)
16:20:06 <JoeAndrieu> ... THANK YOU for your work
16:20:08 <brent> Topic: Notice of Vote for Publication of Other Notes
16:20:24 <JoeAndrieu> ... Other notes
16:20:53 <JoeAndrieu> ... Dan and I had considered pushing folks for more completion.
16:21:03 <markus_sabadello> Just closed issues 693, 694, 695, 697.
16:21:07 <JoeAndrieu> ... We believe the use cases & requirements is ready for publication
16:21:09 <phila> q+
16:21:20 <brent> ack phila
16:21:23 <JoeAndrieu> ... We are hoping to publish that along with transition to CR
16:21:24 <phila> -> https://www.w3.org/TR/did-use-cases/
16:21:32 <drummond> +1 to al the hard work. And Manu, your efforts have been herculean to help get the CR across the finish line
16:21:48 <JoeAndrieu> phila: Yes. Thanks to input from a lot of people, we believe the Use Cases and Requirements document is ready
16:22:07 <JoeAndrieu> ... Evolved quite a bit. I'd like to thank Adrian in particular. And others
16:22:13 <JoeAndrieu> ... We've been through the mill.
16:22:16 <JoeAndrieu> ... We think it is ready.
16:22:24 <JoeAndrieu> brent: that is fantastic news
16:22:36 <JoeAndrieu> ... we have invited the group to provide feedback
16:22:42 <manu> Thanks Drummond! As Brent said, the groups' been great -- it's been a pleasure -- we're all doing important work here. :)
16:22:51 <JoeAndrieu> ... Unless there is opposition, I'd like to recommend we vote to publish.
16:23:02 <JoeAndrieu> +1 to proposing ;)
16:23:20 <drummond> +1
16:23:33 <JoeAndrieu> q+
16:23:46 <rhiaro> scribe+
16:23:56 <burn> +1 this doc is utterly amazing
16:23:58 <drummond> q+
16:24:01 <brent> ack JoeAndrieu
16:24:10 <rhiaro> JoeAndrieu: echo what phil said.. this is the second use case doc I've contributed to within this community
16:24:14 <rhiaro> ... it was wonderful working with phil
16:24:24 <rhiaro> ... helped me move past blinders from my americanisms
16:24:31 <rhiaro> ... appreciate that phil helped keep that straight
16:24:34 <burn> This is the best I've seen in all of my W3C work over the past couple of decades.  I hope it ends up an example for other groups
16:24:39 <rhiaro> ... joined effort with other people and debates on github
16:24:58 <ivan> q+
16:25:05 <brent> ack drummond
16:25:20 <brent> ack ivan
16:25:38 <rhiaro> ivan: you have been using echidna from the start, nothing to update there
16:25:38 <drummond> Hey, I get paid the big bucks as a sponsor! ;-)
16:25:50 <rhiaro> ... only in the echidna file itself you have to add something that says its' a note
16:25:53 <rhiaro> ... no new things to be done there
16:26:17 <brent> PROPOSAL: We will publish the Use Cases and Requirements document as a Note
16:26:22 <manu> +1
16:26:24 <ivan> +1
16:26:24 <rhiaro> +1
16:26:27 <phila> +1
16:26:32 <JoeAndrieu> +1
16:26:34 <brent> +1
16:26:35 <agropper> +1
16:26:36 <dlongley> +1
16:26:37 <shigeya> +1
16:26:39 <drummond> +1
16:26:43 <justin_r> +😁
16:26:48 <dmitriz> +1
16:26:49 <markus_sabadello> +1
16:26:51 <burn> +1
16:27:20 <TallTed> +1
16:27:21 <brent> RESOLVED: We will publish the Use Cases and Requirements document as a Note
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16:27:35 <identitywoman> +1
16:27:37 <JoeAndrieu> YAY
16:27:41 <identitywoman> present+
16:27:43 <JoeAndrieu> Thanks all.
16:27:53 <identitywoman> I said this in zoom chat - I <3 this community :) and appreciate the appreciation I’m hearing expressed today.
16:27:55 <JoeAndrieu> q+ to mention the rubric
16:28:10 <brent> ack JoeAndrieu
16:28:10 <Zakim> JoeAndrieu, you wanted to mention the rubric
16:28:16 <rhiaro> JoeAndrieu: daniel hardman and I have continued work on the rubric
16:28:23 <rhiaro> ... we've got great input and engagemenet with the DHS SVIP cohort
16:28:34 <rhiaro> ... we're using that opportunity to vet the current set of criteria and come up with some new recommendations
16:28:36 <rhiaro> ... that's going to take some time
16:28:49 <rhiaro> ... that hopefully .. I don't know how long, maybe another month, but can fold that back into a rubric within the timeframe we have
16:28:56 <rhiaro> brent: beautiful news
16:29:16 <rhiaro> ... have half hour back for free
16:29:21 <JoeAndrieu> you're welcome.
16:29:40 <rhiaro> ... be ready to vote to transition to CR next week. This reflects years of work
16:29:41 <phila> Thanks everyone!
16:29:43 <rhiaro> ... see you next week!
16:29:49 <JoeAndrieu> cheers!
16:30:21 <ivan> zakim, end meeting
16:30:21 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been burn, brent, shigeya, ivan, TallTed, justin_r, sumita, JoeAndrieu, rhiaro, manu, dlongley, dmitri, markus_sabadello, orie, phila, drummond,
16:30:24 <Zakim> ... adrian, agropper, chriswinc, identitywoman, 😁, 🦄
16:30:24 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes
16:30:24 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/02-did-minutes.html Zakim
16:30:27 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, ivan; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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16:31:25 <ivan> rrsagent, bye
16:31:25 <RRSAgent> I see no action items