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18:48:21 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authroing Practices Task Force
18:48:40 <Matt_King> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:48:47 <Matt_King> CHAIR: Matt King
18:48:52 <Matt_King> present+
18:49:00 <Matt_King> rrsagent, make minutes
18:49:00 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Matt_King
18:55:13 <Jemma> present+
18:58:17 <Jemma> agenda?
18:58:28 <Jemma> zakim, clear agenda
18:58:28 <Zakim> agenda cleared
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18:59:38 <Jemma> agenda+ rename default branch to main
19:00:33 <Jemma> agenda+ slider PRS
19:00:56 <Jemma> agenda+ Disclosure navigation menu with top-level links
19:01:10 <Jemma> agend+ Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at
19:01:36 <Jemma> s/agend+ /agenda+
19:02:14 <Jemma> agenda?
19:02:21 <MarkMccarthy> agenda+ Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at
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19:02:51 <Jemma> agenda+ Modal dialog questions
19:02:56 <Jemma> agenda?
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19:05:55 <jongund> having trouble with the zoom link
19:06:16 <MarkMccarthy> regrets+ CurtBellew
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19:08:22 <carmacleod> scribe: carmacleod
19:08:54 <carmacleod> TOPIC: rename default branch to main
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19:10:10 <sarah_higley> present+
19:10:19 <carmacleod> Rename will happen tomorrow
19:11:00 <carmacleod> mck: you will need to perform 3 git commands
19:11:28 <carmacleod> mck: jes will be standing by in case there's any problems
19:11:33 <carmacleod> TOPIC: slider PRS
19:11:38 <Jemma> zakim, take up next
19:11:38 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- rename default branch to main -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:11:52 <Jemma> zakim, close agendum 1
19:11:52 <Zakim> agendum 1, rename default branch to main, closed
19:11:53 <Zakim> I see 4 items remaining on the agenda; the next one is
19:11:53 <Zakim> 2. slider PRS [from Jemma]
19:12:02 <Jemma> zakim, take up next
19:12:02 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- slider PRS -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:13:39 <carmacleod> mck: color slider looking good, should we work on thermostat slider next?
19:13:46 <carmacleod> jongund: sure
19:14:42 <Jemma> feedback on "WARNING! Some users of touch-based assistive technologies may experience difficulty utilizing widgets that implement this slider pattern because the gestures their assistive technology provides for operating sliders may not yet generate the necessary output. To change the slider value, touch-based assistive technologies need to respond to user gestures for incrementing and decrementing the value by synthesizing key events. This
19:14:42 <Jemma> is a new convention that may not be fully implemented by some assistive technologies. Authors should fully test slider widgets using assistive technologies on devices where touch is a primary input mechanism before considering incorporation into production systems.
19:14:53 <carmacleod> mck: re color slider, is the wording of the warning good? incorporated feedback from Patrick
19:15:43 <carmacleod> carmacleod: +1 looks good
19:16:49 <carmacleod> mck: SVG inline elements note - go with succinct wording?
19:19:03 <Jemma> this is the comment Matt and Jon discussed. https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1746#issuecomment-787713917
19:19:36 <carmacleod> mck: will make comment change, and then merge tomorrow after change of master to main
19:19:59 <Jemma> Topic: thermostat slider example
19:20:25 <Jemma> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1755
19:26:41 <carmacleod> Jemma: Just want to note that WCAG 2.2 is discussing target size for sliders
19:29:29 <Jemma> This is what we have as the visual review criteria. https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Pull-Request-Review-Process#design_review
19:29:53 <Jemma> "Review the visual presentation to assess whether look and feel is similar to typical modern implementations of the widget. Allow for adjustments to accommodate accessibility requirements in cases where most modern implementations are not sufficiently accessible."
19:32:07 <Jemma> zakim, next item
19:32:07 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Disclosure navigation menu with top-level links -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:33:26 <Jemma> sarah and mck: talking about HCM support
19:34:13 <Jemma> sarah: usually regular border color tends to be text color
19:34:57 <carmacleod> sarah: HCM overrides text, borders
19:35:02 <Jemma> mck: even do we recommend this HCM then? it is different form svg
19:35:11 <Jemma> s/form/from
19:35:39 <Jemma> mck: we did not do any "special" thing here for color contrast
19:35:40 <carmacleod> mck: can we just take out that point?
19:36:15 <Jemma> mck: we will remove color contrast section for this example
19:36:36 <carmacleod> sarah: I'm ok with taking that point out
19:36:50 <Jemma> zakim, next item
19:36:50 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at -- taken up [from MarkMccarthy]
19:36:52 <carmacleod> mck: Ok, I'll make that one change, and merge!
19:38:46 <carmacleod> zakim, next item
19:38:46 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Modal dialog questions -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:39:52 <carmacleod> zakim, close this item
19:39:52 <Zakim> agendum 5 closed
19:39:53 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
19:39:59 <carmacleod> zakim, take up item 4
19:39:59 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Plan file directory treeview updates for aria-at -- taken up [from MarkMccarthy]
19:42:18 <carmacleod> mck: need posinset and setsize virtualization example
19:42:32 <carmacleod> mck: maybe use navigation treeview?
19:42:59 <carmacleod> sarah: prefer not to use that one - need a separate example
19:43:35 <carmacleod> mck: do you think the file directory treeview would be the simplest classic treeview example?
19:44:27 <carmacleod> sarah: yes, I think everyone understands file directory in a treeview
19:45:04 <carmacleod> mck: so a separate example using file directory to show virtualization?
19:45:34 <carmacleod> sarah: makes sense, or we could think of another example
19:47:00 <carmacleod> sarah: maybe update some of the examples that use declared properties: treeview, list, etc.
19:50:18 <carmacleod> sarah: virtual tree is a good test for aria-at project, because screen readers often don't trigger scroll or focus with virtual cursor
19:50:54 <carmacleod> sarah: so the new content is not brought in, and virtual cursor feels broken
19:51:13 <carmacleod> mck: need to talk about aria-selected
19:52:01 <carmacleod> mck: currently the file directory example does not do anything with aria-selected - but the pattern says to use it
19:52:15 <carmacleod> mck: should we be using aria-selected?
19:57:39 <carmacleod> jongund: a common tree in higher education is for a library
20:01:02 <Jemma> agenda?
20:01:14 <carmacleod> mck: maybe the edit box should change based on the focused item, and enter doesn't do anything
20:01:28 <Jemma> rrsagent, make minutes
20:01:28 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/02-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma
20:02:58 <carmacleod> mck: need to make a tree that's both realistic and super-simple
20:03:06 <Jemma> zakim, close agendum 5
20:03:06 <Zakim> agendum 5, Modal dialog questions, closed
20:03:07 <Zakim> I see nothing remaining on the agenda
20:03:50 <Jemma> zakim, who is here?
20:03:50 <Zakim> Present: Jemma, mck, jongund, carmacleod, siri, MarkMccarthy, CurtBellew, sarah_higley, Matt_King
20:03:52 <Zakim> On IRC I see sarah_higley, siri, jongund, carmacleod, MarkMccarthy, RRSAgent, Matt_King, jamesn, github-bot, Jemma, MichaelC, Zakim, ZoeBijl, zcorpan, s3ththompson, trackbot
20:04:25 <Jemma> regret+Curtbellew
20:04:33 <Jemma> present+jamesn
20:05:16 <Jemma> present+ jamesn
20:05:26 <carmacleod> zakim, who is on the call?
20:05:26 <Zakim> Present: Jemma, mck, jongund, carmacleod, siri, MarkMccarthy, CurtBellew, sarah_higley, Matt_King, jamesn
20:05:46 <carmacleod> present+ Bryan
20:06:09 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
20:06:09 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/02-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod
20:07:10 <carmacleod> s/TOPIC: rename default branch to main//
20:07:27 <carmacleod> s/TOPIC: slider PRS//
20:07:45 <carmacleod> rrsagent, make minutes
20:07:45 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/03/02-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod