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15:56:46 <tzviya> Meeting: PBG SC
15:57:11 <tzviya> Date: 2021-02-12
15:57:22 <tzviya> chair: Tzviya
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16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ MediaDo + Firebrand
16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ How can we help the TDM CG?
16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ Offering a WCAG 3 presentation to the Business Group
16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ Update on Documentation TF and Wikipedia info
16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ Proposed charter for Math on the Web [3]
16:05:42 <tzviya> Agenda+ Around the table
16:05:58 <George> present+
16:05:58 <wendyreid> topic, next
16:06:03 <zhengxu> present+
16:06:10 <tzviya> present+
16:06:16 <wendyreid> tzviya: First item, Daihei, can you give us an overview!
16:07:07 <wendyreid> Daihei: MediaDo has bee na partner of NetGalley for a while, and this was a mutually agreed acquisition
16:07:20 <wendyreid> ... we acquired 100% of Firebrand and Netgalley
16:07:25 <wendyreid> ... all under MediaDo International
16:07:39 <wendyreid> ... MediaDo is the largest ebook distributor in Japan
16:07:54 <wendyreid> ... it's a large part of the digital transformation in Japan
16:08:07 <Ralph> [Ralph arrives]
16:08:09 <Ralph> present+
16:08:11 <wendyreid> ... in addition to ebooks, we want to provide other solutions for publishers, retailers, and rights owners
16:08:20 <wendyreid> ... anyone concerned with digital publications
16:08:36 <wendyreid> ... we intend to establish ourselves as a global publisher service platform
16:08:51 <wendyreid> ... FB and NG will be operating as is
16:09:05 <wendyreid> ... the intention is to enhance and expand FB's business
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16:09:45 <wendyreid> ... MediaDo plans to invest in international publishing
16:09:52 <Cristina> present+
16:10:11 <wendyreid> ... for W3C, I plan to discuss with Fran about participation in W3C activities
16:10:15 <wendyreid> ... publishing and beyond
16:10:50 <wendyreid> ... any questions?
16:10:50 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:10:53 <wendyreid> tzviya: That's exciting
16:11:05 <Ralph> +1 exciting!
16:11:07 <wendyreid> ... one of the areas I would love to get them involved in Audiobooks
16:11:12 <wendyreid> ... Wendy has spoken with them previously
16:11:34 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf_
16:11:35 <wendyreid> ... it might make sense to set up a new member's welcome meeting with them too
16:11:38 <wendyreid> Ralph: Agreed
16:13:28 <Ralph> agenda: https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-publishing-sc/2021Feb/0001.html
16:14:09 <Ralph> i|Agenda+ MediaDo|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/08-pbgsc-minutes.html previous 8-Jan
16:14:10 <wendyreid> topic, next
16:14:15 <Ralph> zakim, next item
16:14:15 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- MediaDo + Firebrand -- taken up [from tzviya]
16:14:23 <Ralph> close this item
16:14:24 <Ralph> zakim, next item
16:14:25 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- How can we help the TDM CG? -- taken up [from tzviya]
16:14:38 <Ralph> zakim, who's on the call?
16:14:38 <Zakim> Present: ivan, avneeshsingh, Daihei, Bill_Kasdorf_, liisamk, wendyreid, George, zhengxu, tzviya, Ralph, Cristina
16:14:43 <wendyreid> tzviya: Laurent started this to address article 17
16:14:57 <wendyreid> ... at this point he's posted a doodle poll to get the community together
16:15:02 <wendyreid> ... what can we do to support this
16:15:07 <ivan> q+
16:15:09 <wendyreid> ... any thoughts?
16:15:12 <liisamk> q+
16:15:13 <tzviya> ack ivan
16:15:28 <wendyreid> ivan: I would just repeat what Laurent said, we have set everything up
16:15:39 <wendyreid> ... he has contacted Coralie and others internally to get help from W3C
16:15:53 <wendyreid> ... he can write a blog or something else
16:16:06 <wendyreid> ... he has already contacted the AC reps of the applicable members
16:16:20 <wendyreid> ... his fundamental problem is that he needs TDM actors
16:16:39 <wendyreid> ... he's concerned that they develop a vocab outside of the community that would use it
16:16:58 <wendyreid> ... I presume that publishers are targets of TDM, and also TDM actors, like Elsevier
16:17:03 <wendyreid> ... any contacts we have
16:17:08 <wendyreid> ... get them to Laurent
16:17:16 <wendyreid> ... and he can take it from there
16:17:21 <wendyreid> ... for now he needs contacts
16:17:22 <tzviya> ack liisamk
16:17:39 <wendyreid> liisamk: We've encouraged publishers in the last two BG meetings to join or at least monitor
16:17:46 <wendyreid> ... tried to stress how it relates to their business
16:17:59 <wendyreid> tzviya: Laurent is working on the publishers in the non-exempt category
16:18:01 <wendyreid> ... trade, etc
16:18:14 <wendyreid> ... building up the tagging to indicate that a book is not to be mined
16:18:23 <wendyreid> ivan: Not only text, but also data
16:18:35 <wendyreid> liisamk: Also to indicate licensing is possible
16:18:39 <wendyreid> ... Adobe involvement in this
16:18:44 <wendyreid> ... using it for images and PDFs
16:18:49 <wendyreid> ... it's important for people to be aware of
16:19:03 <wendyreid> tzviya: Alot of the metadata is embedded in XMP data for scholarly
16:19:14 <wendyreid> ivan: Separate requirements for scholarly
16:19:19 <wendyreid> ... for research
16:19:31 <wendyreid> tzviya: We'll spread the word
16:19:35 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
16:19:35 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Offering a WCAG 3 presentation to the Business Group -- taken up [from tzviya]
16:19:56 <wendyreid> tzviya: Some of you may know that WCAG 3 has been released FPWD
16:20:01 <wendyreid> ... they want feedback
16:20:07 <wendyreid> ... I've spoken to some in the working group
16:20:12 <wendyreid> ... they would like feedback from publishing
16:20:23 <wendyreid> ... would the BG be interested in having someone come and present
16:20:43 <wendyreid> liisamk: Yes please
16:20:48 <wendyreid> ... for the sessions in March
16:20:56 <wendyreid> tzviya: Problem is that the feedback is needed in Feb
16:21:09 <wendyreid> ... is there a chance for a slot in the next BG meeting
16:21:14 <wendyreid> liisamk: It's the week after next
16:21:35 <wendyreid> tzviya: The 23rd? I will reach out
16:21:41 <wendyreid> ... people can read it on their own as well
16:21:47 <George> q+
16:21:59 <wendyreid> ... If she can't make it, we'll find an alternative for that meeting
16:22:24 <wendyreid> ... because of the timeline, if people have their own feedback, offer it directly
16:22:29 <tzviya> ack ra
16:22:33 <wendyreid> ... we don't need to offer unified feedback
16:22:44 <Bill_Kasdorf_> q+
16:22:45 <wendyreid> Ralph: I imagine it'll take people a while to read and gather feedback
16:23:04 <wendyreid> ... this is only the first working draft, there will be others in the futurre
16:23:12 <tzviya> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-wai-announce/2021JanMar/0002.html
16:23:18 <tzviya> ack ge
16:23:20 <wendyreid> ... the deadline is important but not the only one
16:23:34 <avneeshsingh> q+
16:23:42 <wendyreid> George: I was thinking of recording Jean's presentation to make it available to the Asia-friendly time slot group
16:23:50 <liisamk> +1 to recording
16:23:54 <tzviya> ack Bill_Kasdorf_
16:24:13 <wendyreid> Bill_Kasdorf_: Would it make sense for it to be a standalone presentation for everyone in the publishing activity
16:24:25 <wendyreid> tzviya: Coordinating something like that might be challening
16:24:27 <tzviya> ack avneeshsingh
16:24:33 <wendyreid> ... we could invite everyone to the BG meeting
16:24:49 <wendyreid> avneeshsingh: I agree with Bill, there's some deep technical matters in this
16:24:58 <wendyreid> ... one week is not enough time for deep feedback
16:25:04 <wendyreid> ... Matt is in the taskforce
16:25:08 <wendyreid> ... there are many proposals
16:25:26 <wendyreid> ... there will be a lot of back and forth on this version of WCAG
16:25:28 <liisamk> q+
16:25:35 <wendyreid> ... we should definitely get some technical feedback
16:25:45 <wendyreid> tzviya: There's a lot that went into this
16:25:49 <wendyreid> ... major change to the approach
16:25:54 <wendyreid> ... it's not just for the BG
16:26:08 <tzviya> ack liisamk
16:26:09 <wendyreid> ... feedback needed on the approach not the SC
16:26:19 <wendyreid> liisamk: I think it's important how we position this
16:26:29 <wendyreid> ... no one in the BG is discouraged from accessibility
16:26:34 <wendyreid> ... but keep them involved
16:26:50 <wendyreid> tzviya: I'll contact Jean
16:26:53 <tzviya> ack ra
16:26:58 <tzviya> s/Jean/Jeanne
16:27:33 <wendyreid> Ralph: We should give Jean an idea of the of needs of the BG
16:27:52 <wendyreid> ... not a deeply technical presentation, but what's appropriate for this audience
16:28:06 <wendyreid> tzviya: I'll debrief her, if she's not available, we'll figure something out
16:28:15 <wendyreid> ... there's lot of information in the email from Shawn
16:28:18 <wendyreid> ... linked in the minutes
16:28:30 <wendyreid> ... Matt has been participating, so publishing is represented
16:28:36 <wendyreid> zakim, next
16:28:36 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', wendyreid
16:28:41 <wendyreid> zakim, next topic
16:28:41 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next topic', wendyreid
16:28:47 <wendyreid> zakim, next itme
16:28:47 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next itme', wendyreid
16:28:53 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
16:28:53 <Zakim> agendum 4 -- Update on Documentation TF and Wikipedia info -- taken up [from tzviya]
16:29:12 <wendyreid> tzviya: We have a documentation TF
16:29:19 <wendyreid> ... we talked about updating wikipedia
16:29:30 <wendyreid> ... Zheng has kicked off the documentation TF in the working group
16:29:34 <wendyreid> ... Juan Corona is leading
16:30:00 <wendyreid> ... once that's updated ,we can use it to update the wikipedia
16:30:14 <wendyreid> ... I'll be meeting with Juan soon to talk about the history of the project and MDN
16:30:22 <wendyreid> ... will be involving Dom as well
16:30:34 <wendyreid> ... if there's real urgency to updating the wikipedia, we can do that too
16:30:43 <wendyreid> ... there's style guides for MDN we need to pay attention to
16:30:53 <wendyreid> ... myself, Lars, and Juan are currently volunteering
16:30:59 <wendyreid> ... we could use more help!
16:31:05 <wendyreid> ... what's the priority
16:31:10 <liisamk> q+
16:31:12 <wendyreid> q+
16:31:14 <tzviya> ack liisamk
16:31:23 <wendyreid> liisamk: I think that we should probably do the wiki firest
16:31:28 <wendyreid> ... it's contained and very public
16:31:37 <wendyreid> ... Julian has offered help in the BG
16:31:43 <tzviya> ack wendyreid
16:31:44 <wendyreid> ... I can reach out and ask
16:32:21 <tzviya> q+
16:32:25 <Ralph> -> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EPUB EPUB in Wikipedia
16:33:10 <tzviya> ack tz
16:33:24 <wendyreid> wendyreid: Canadian effort via eBOUND to update docs
16:33:52 <wendyreid> tzviya: When we were working on this a while ago, there were strict guidelines on specification summaries vs best practices
16:34:01 <wendyreid> ... as a starting point, there's no summary
16:34:06 <wendyreid> ... and a few best practices
16:34:18 <wendyreid> ... we've never done an EPUB 101
16:34:27 <wendyreid> ... we're focusing on that first
16:34:44 <wendyreid> ... the stuff in wikipedia is easy to update
16:34:49 <wendyreid> ... I won't give a timeline though
16:34:57 <wendyreid> ... I'll reach out to Juan and Julian
16:35:19 <wendyreid> ... as for eBOUND, we can figure out that as well
16:35:30 <George> q+
16:35:40 <tzviya> ack Ralph
16:35:47 <wendyreid> Ralph: Discussion in the CG
16:36:16 <tzviya> ack George
16:36:18 <wendyreid> ... poiinter?
16:36:30 <wendyreid> tzviya: George also volunteered!
16:36:42 <wendyreid> George: THere's this issue of number of hours in day...
16:37:01 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
16:37:01 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Proposed charter for Math on the Web -- taken up [from 3]
16:37:12 <wendyreid> tzviya: This was not on the original agenda
16:37:19 <wendyreid> ... because Brian asked
16:37:24 <wendyreid> ... there's a proposed charter
16:37:30 <wendyreid> ... if you are in a position to vote
16:37:33 <wendyreid> ... please vote
16:37:40 <wendyreid> ... or bug your friends
16:37:50 <Ralph> -> https://lists.w3.org/Archives/Public/public-new-work/2021Feb/0003.html Proposed W3C Charter: Math Working Group (until 2021-03-11/12)
16:38:11 <wendyreid> ... if you would like to learn more, we can talk, or ask Brian to come explain!
16:38:48 <wendyreid> zakim, next item
16:38:48 <Zakim> agendum 6 -- Around the table -- taken up [from tzviya]
16:39:21 <wendyreid> avneeshsingh: There are EPUBCheck releases coming up
16:39:24 <wendyreid> ... website release
16:39:31 <wendyreid> ... Ralph we need to coordinate with you
16:39:40 <wendyreid> ... we need a communication plan for this website
16:40:00 <wendyreid> tzviya: Romain is going to be working on finishing the codebase, and we'lll draft a press release for early march
16:40:07 <wendyreid> ... once we have that release we'll share
16:40:21 <wendyreid> ... blogposts or articles from all of the major orgs
16:40:27 <wendyreid> ... get some publicity
16:40:37 <wendyreid> ... recognizing the website and it's purpose
16:40:55 <wendyreid> avneeshsingh: We need a communication channel for Japan
16:41:04 <wendyreid> tzviya: Daihei?
16:41:53 <wendyreid> Daihei: Making use of the newsletters in the US/EU, then we can send those to the Japanese orgs to send to their membership
16:42:03 <wendyreid> tzviya: Great
16:42:14 <wendyreid> avneeshsingh: The actual build of EPUBCheck
16:42:18 <wendyreid> ... there will be 2 releases
16:42:22 <wendyreid> ... a production ready release
16:42:33 <wendyreid> ... the other will be a test release with the public java api changes
16:42:40 <wendyreid> ... we'll not be putting it in the production release
16:42:48 <wendyreid> ... to get feedback from those using the API
16:43:01 <wendyreid> ... there will be some internal refactoring and then a release in March
16:43:11 <tzviya> q?
16:43:38 <wendyreid> dauwhe: We're slowly trying to talk about our big issues
16:43:45 <wendyreid> ... that hven't been addressed
16:43:48 <wendyreid> ... the idea of origins
16:43:57 <wendyreid> ... how does EPUB relate to the web security model
16:44:02 <wendyreid> ... we had a long discussion of that
16:44:12 <wendyreid> ... this is complicated by how RSs implement EPUB
16:44:17 <wendyreid> ... heavy processing of the HTML
16:44:28 <wendyreid> ... via iframes or injecting it into an android webview
16:44:34 <wendyreid> ... we're all a little in over our heads
16:44:40 <wendyreid> ... send some questions to theTAG
16:44:51 <wendyreid> ... translate EPUB to the language of the web security model
16:44:56 <wendyreid> ... slowly writing tests
16:45:10 <tzviya> ack Ralph
16:45:10 <Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to comment on fund raising
16:45:12 <wendyreid> ... we did resolve to do the FWPD of the accessibility docs
16:45:15 <avneeshsingh> https://w3c.github.io/epub-specs/epub33/a11y/index.html
16:45:46 <wendyreid> tzviya: Congrats on FPWD!
16:46:02 <Ralph> yay FPWD !
16:46:13 <wendyreid> liisamk: WE're working towards another TPAC-like meeting
16:46:19 <wendyreid> ... two sessions same day in march
16:46:25 <wendyreid> ... hoping in the next week to finalize a plan for that
16:46:30 <wendyreid> ... inviting people and publicising
16:46:45 <wendyreid> ... good discussion this week with the japanese community about understanding the business cases
16:46:52 <wendyreid> ... the content you haven't converted yet
16:47:06 <wendyreid> ... Makoto helped with translations to continue the conversation
16:47:20 <wendyreid> zhengxu: We had CG meetings this week
16:47:28 <wendyreid> ... we started the documentation TF
16:47:32 <wendyreid> ... juan is leading the project
16:47:35 <wendyreid> ... we're hiring!
16:47:39 <wendyreid> ... documentation is huge
16:47:52 <wendyreid> ... for testing
16:48:11 <wendyreid> ... once we get some direction from Dave/the WG, we can explore having the CG create some tests as well
16:48:33 <wendyreid> ... we had a followup meeting with the Asia time, only attendance from Australia
16:48:40 <wendyreid> ... lots of interest in accessibility
16:48:56 <wendyreid> ... schools have requirements, it's interesting to explore
16:49:03 <wendyreid> ... a11yTF might want to reach out to them
16:49:07 <George> q+
16:49:10 <tzviya> ack George
16:49:18 <wendyreid> George: Probably before the next SC meeting
16:49:24 <wendyreid> ... the user experience guide should be finished
16:49:29 <wendyreid> ... a few little things to finish up
16:49:31 <Daihei> q+
16:49:49 <avneeshsingh> https://github.com/w3c/publ-a11y/issues/28
16:50:00 <tzviya> ack dai
16:50:14 <wendyreid> Daihei: Outside of PBG, next thursday in Japan
16:50:21 <wendyreid> ... Cristina and LIA are holding a webinar
16:50:23 <wendyreid> ... for APL
16:50:41 <wendyreid> ... In Japan, rapidly acessibility has been taken into consideration
16:51:08 <wendyreid> ... we're asking Cristina to help with understanding the EUAA
16:51:37 <wendyreid> ... In Jan, Japan's longest running publication on publishing, they formed a committee on compliance
16:51:46 <wendyreid> ... barrier free reading system implementaiton
16:52:00 <avneeshsingh> q+
16:52:10 <wendyreid> ... Lots of attention and action around accessibility, I'll keep everyone informed of this
16:52:18 <wendyreid> ... I gave WCAG 3.0 to everyone
16:52:31 <wendyreid> ... Jean's speech will be helpful to the Japanese audiob
16:52:40 <wendyreid> s/audiob/audience
16:52:41 <tzviya> ack av
16:53:03 <wendyreid> avneeshsingh: Hiroshi Kawamura is the DAISY rep who has been involved, you should get in touch with him to collaborate with him
16:53:17 <wendyreid> Daihei: Yoshii-san has been in touch
16:53:27 <wendyreid> ... his presence is important
16:53:27 <George> q+
16:53:34 <tzviya> ack ge
16:53:44 <wendyreid> George: We have the EPUBtest.org site up
16:53:53 <wendyreid> ... we've not done any testing of Japanese
16:53:59 <wendyreid> ... we'd be happy to help with it
16:54:05 <wendyreid> ... report the results on the site
16:54:57 <wendyreid> Ralph: There was an email sent about the latest position on EPUBCheck fundraising
16:55:00 <wendyreid> ... good news
16:55:25 <wendyreid> ... the spreadsheet attached should not be publicly available
16:55:45 <wendyreid> ... I could remove the whole message
16:55:47 <zhengxu> q+
16:55:49 <wendyreid> tzviya: Thanks
16:56:00 <tzviya> ack zhengxu
16:56:06 <wendyreid> zhengxu: Not related
16:56:12 <wendyreid> ... to EPUBCheck
16:56:17 <wendyreid> ... about the CG
16:56:33 <wendyreid> ... we need help from Ralph, we're losing some CCs from the EPUB CG
16:56:57 <wendyreid> Ralph: That conversation is a year old, I've reraised the question
16:57:03 <wendyreid> ... I need to get the answer I want
16:57:38 <wendyreid> tzviya: Have a good weekend everyone!
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19:44:49 <Ralph> zakim, end meeting
19:44:49 <Zakim> As of this point the attendees have been ivan, avneeshsingh, Daihei, Bill_Kasdorf_, liisamk, wendyreid, George, zhengxu, tzviya, Ralph, Cristina
19:44:51 <Zakim> RRSAgent, please draft minutes v2
19:44:51 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/12-pbgsc-minutes.html Zakim
19:44:54 <Zakim> I am happy to have been of service, Ralph; please remember to excuse RRSAgent.  Goodbye
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19:53:49 <Ralph> rrsagent, bye
19:53:49 <RRSAgent> I see no action items