IRC log of wot on 2021-02-10

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Meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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chair: McCool
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present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Dave_Raggett, Ege_Korkan, Kunihiko_Toumura
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scribenick: dsr_
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present+ Tomoaki_Mizushima
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Agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#10_February_2021
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present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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Topic: Invited Experts
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Philip Blum has been approved Michael Koster's application is still pending
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Topic: Approval of minutes
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Michael reviews the minutes of last week's call
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i|reviews|-> https://www.w3.org/2021/02/03-wot-minutes.html Feb-3|
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Any objections to publishing the minutes [no]
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Approved.
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Topic: Quick updates
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Kaz talks about the new Japanese WoT Interest CG
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s/Interest/Japanese/
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Mizushima-san gives more details
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s/CG/CG. they're planning to hold an online event later February. Mizushima-san could give some more details./
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present+ Christine_Perey, Takahisa_Suzuki
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McCool asks if we can update our new Web pages to link to the new CG
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q+
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https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/
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Daniel provides some details
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https://www.w3.org/WoT/CG
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s/https://www.w3.org/WoT/CG/
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McCool: we should link to the WoT JP CG from our marketing pages
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https://www.w3.org/community/wot-jp/ ---> wot-jp cg homepage
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s/https/-> https/
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s/--->//
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McCool: we were asked to rename our Master path on GitHub to Main. I've tested this in my own fork.
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rrsagent, make log public
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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People need to update their local copies on their own computers.
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McCool: I have a few more things to do and will then draft some detailed instructions. Any PR's against the Master path need to be applied before we do the updates
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s/Topic: Quick updates/topic: WoT Japanese CG/
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Michael shows us some of the details
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q+
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i/We were asked/topic: Renaming the "master" branches to "main"/
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ack k
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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mlagally: what's the purpose, what will happen to the original?
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McCool: I think but haven't tested that pending PR's will be automatically rolled over
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i/we were asked/topic: Renaming the "master" branches to "main"/
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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Github has been a little unstable recently ...
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So taking things cautiously
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Topic: Goals and Objectives
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Our CEO, Jeff Jaffe is asking for the objectives we are setting ourselves for this year. This can include our publication roadmap, any workshops we plan to do, measurable progress with our liaisons, and best of all metrics for adoption by industry and targets for member recruitment.
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Any idea of how we can answer Jeff?
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Some of this is around marketing, and industry outreach
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q+
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ack ml
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present+ Ryuichi_Matsukura
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present+ David_Ezell
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We want to set some achievable objectives according to what we want
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McCool: what do we do in respect to contacting industry prospects
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q?
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Sebastian: we're starting a joint activity with OPC and this should be one of the objectives as an important step for a WoT binding to OPC
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McCool: how should we organise this? I could create a markdown file in GitHub?
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kaz: this is in relation to how Jeff manages industry sectors via the staff champions
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We should clarify the existing targets and expectations
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McCool: we need a clear place for where we keep those objectives
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He creates an issue to kick this off
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... along with a markdown file "goals.md"
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s/expectations/expectations. for example, what I suggested during the marketing call and the use cases call yesterday. extending the timetable for spec generation might be a good starting point./
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ack
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s/ack//
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ack k
13:28:59 [mlagally]
q+
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The issue is #956 "Capture objectives and goals"
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https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/956
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ack mlagally
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mlagally: what is the lowest entry level for compliance with WoT
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I believe that we need to have the entry barrier very low
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We also need to encourage convergence by the Mozilla web things
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McCool: a tutorial would list what components you need to build a WoT compliant solution
13:32:38 [kaz]
s/this is in relation to how Jeff manages industry sectors via the staff champions/W3C Objective is related to the Industry Team and the Industry Champions including Dave for WoT and myself for Smart Cities are in charge of generating the Objectives documents./
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McCool: we need to raise our visibility and encourage adoption
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We're working on our marketing plan with a March 1st milestone
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s/We should clarify/what I as the WoT Team Contact would like to ask the group to think about is rather clarifying/
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Ege talks about microcontrollers
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McCool: for a product the cheapest device, along with a hub device ...
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mlagally: we should talk about this in the architecture call
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Sebastian: the Mozilla web thing community meet regularly, and have plans for W3C WoT compliance for 2.0 version
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html dsr_
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q_
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q+
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s/q_//
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q+ to ask about thingweb.io
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ack k
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kaz: is Ben Francis still leading the Web Things community?
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McCool: I think so
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present+ Zoltan_Kis
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Topic: Plans for joint calls
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Michael reviews the pending plans for joint call with external groups
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s/call/calls/
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Topic: plugfest and Virtual F2F planning
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ack k
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dezell: I wanted to ask about thingweb.io, which talks about Raspberry Pi a lot
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McCool: we want to provide instructions for running node-wot
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s/external groups/external groups, WebThings (Mozilla), Microsoft DTDL, IEC CDD, ...
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... it would be my preference for a reference platform
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i/Plans for/kaz: in that case, we can chat with Ben directly too :)/
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q?
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ack
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s/ack//
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ack d
13:43:03 [Zakim]
dezell, you wanted to ask about thingweb.io
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i/Topic: plugfest and Virtual F2F planning//
13:43:42 [Ege]
https://github.com/tum-esi/wot-sys/tree/master/Devices/ESP-lightsensor esp based lightsensor here
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Michael talks about some development hardware options
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s/Michael/Michael Koster/
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NodeMCU is based on ESP8266 chip plus WiFi
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We should talk about a tutorial for a minimally comformant systems
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s/comformant/conformant/
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q?
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https://github.com/tum-esi/wot-sys/tree/master/Devices/ESP32-ledSwitch
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Further discussion in the plugfest call ...
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Sebastian has implemented support in the Lua stack
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q+ to suggest we talk about the detail on implementations during the plugfest call again :)
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Michael wonders if node-wot can be made to run on small devices
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Sebastian: TUM have some baseline implementations
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ack k
13:49:44 [Zakim]
kaz, you wanted to suggest we talk about the detail on implementations during the plugfest call again :)
13:50:10 [Ege]
https://jerryscript.net/ this would also run an esp32
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McCool: We've arranged webex for the face to face, but need to prepare the agenda
13:50:23 [mjk]
We should eventually have a common reference stack for embedded platforms (C/C++)
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Kaz: one hour for a joint discussion with IEC
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McCool: let's try to arrange the calls with other external groups on the same day
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i/We've arranged/topic: F2F planning/
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Each task force needs to add their own agenda topics
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McCool asks Michael Koster about joint call on oneDM and ASDF, should this be done in the IETF?
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Koster: I don't think there will be time during the IETF meeting
13:54:27 [McCool]
https://github.com/w3c/wot/blob/master/charters/wot-ocpua-2021-charter-draft.md
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q+
13:54:47 [dsr_]
Sebastian is proposing a cooperation document and sub group for WoT/OPC
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McCool: I think this is essentially about protocol binding, but these are not part of our charter in respect to normative specs
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Kaz: informative would be fine for now
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-> https://www.w3.org/2020/01/wot-wg-charter.html Charter
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ack k
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McCool: I have a draft proposal for gelocation and am working with Christian Perry on this
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q+ aks for general marketing feedback w.r.t. "is everyone" ok with the current approach
13:57:36 [kaz]
s/for now/for now given the Charter says Protocol Binding is informative. also we can have further discussion during the TD call later today./
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q?
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topic: TF reports
13:58:32 [dsr_]
Sebastian provides a quick status report from Marketing TF, good progress on web pages
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see https://w3c.github.io/wot-marketing/ and https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues
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Launch date for new pages is March 1st
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-> https://github.com/w3c/wot-marketing/issues/118
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Please review by end of Feb
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s/118/118 wot-marketing issue 118/
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q+
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McCool: we should think about a clean experience for developers new to WoT
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q?
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ack aks
14:00:43 [Zakim]
aks, you wanted to discuss general marketing feedback w.r.t. "is everyone" ok with the current approach
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ack aks
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ack ml
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mlagally: when will we do a resolution on the new pages?
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McCool: not today, but definitely to mark that we're comfortable with the launch
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Feel free to propose PR's if you have some ideas for improvements
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.... end of meeting
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[main call adjourned; PF call starts in 5 mins]
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rrsagent, draft minutes
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I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/10-wot-minutes.html kaz
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