18:28:17 RRSAgent has joined #aria-apg 18:28:17 logging to https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-irc 18:28:19 RRSAgent, make logs Public 18:28:20 please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jemma 18:30:28 Meeting: ARIA-APg 18:30:32 Meeting: ARIA-APG 18:30:41 rrsagent, make minutes 18:30:41 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html Jemma 18:43:15 agenda+ based on slider focus group meeting 18:43:27 zakim, clear agenda 18:43:27 agenda cleared 18:43:38 agenda+ set up and review agenda 18:44:00 agenda+ Announcement: ARIA-APG redesign project 18:44:47 agenda+ Disclosure navigation #1614 18:45:16 agenda+ slider PR #1755, #1746. # 1758 18:45:36 agenda+ CodePen project priority 18:45:40 agenda? 18:45:52 present+ 18:50:51 mck has joined #aria-apg 18:51:35 MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force 18:51:43 CHAIR: Matt King 18:51:48 rrsagent, make log public 18:51:52 present+ 18:51:57 rrsagent, make minutes 18:51:57 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html mck 18:56:35 agenda? 18:59:00 agenda+ menubar navigation example #1741 19:03:11 MarkMccarthy has joined #aria-apg 19:03:14 present+ 19:04:02 jongund has joined #aria-apg 19:05:34 regrets+ BryanGaraventa JamesN CurtBellew 19:08:50 carmacleod has joined #aria-apg 19:08:59 present+ 19:09:09 siri has joined #aria-apg 19:09:58 zakim, clear agenda 1 19:09:58 agenda cleared 19:10:02 agenda? 19:10:30 Topic: Announcement: ARIA-APG redesign project 19:10:41 scribe: carolyn 19:11:34 we will talk what success would like.. 19:11:59 bocoup will propose sprint plan. 19:13:13 present+ 19:13:21 scribe: carmacleod 19:13:35 Jemma: Should we invite other people? 19:13:48 APG meeting next week will be more about organizational structure. 19:14:34 mck: We will discuss how to broaden the scope of the stakeholders during next week's kickoff call 19:14:35 mck: this will be more of work planning session 19:14:55 Topic: PR burndown 19:15:11 Navigation menubar: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1741 19:15:30 mck: I think this is done. I revised the caution note. 19:15:56 https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/update-menubar-nav-2/examples/menubar/menubar-navigation.html 19:16:07 CAUTION! Before considering use of the ARIA menubar pattern for site navigation, it is important to understand: The menubar pattern requires complex functionality that is unnecessary for typical site navigation that is styled to look like a menubar with expandable sections or fly outs. A pattern more suited for typical site navigation with expandable groups of links is the disclosure pattern. For an example, see Example Disclosure for [CUT] 19:18:17 mck: The note is only slightly different from before (which said "complexity") and I changed it to "compex functionality" 19:20:56 present+ jongund 19:21:12 mck: So mostly keyboard differences, but I think there's also mouse functionality differences, too 19:22:44 Jemma: Is this difference between Menubar and Disclosure nav described somewhere in the example? 19:23:27 carmacleod: It will be described in the new section on navigation - not finished yet, but mck made a good start. 19:24:05 mck: Ok, great - I'll merge this today! 19:24:34 "It is interesting that both section 4.3 of the ARIA spec and section 6.6 of APG - Keyboard Navigation Inside Components say that it is typical for the first item in menubars and toolbars to receive focus rather than most recent. I'm unsure of the origin of that suggestion" 19:26:42 mck: This is really old text - let's merge this, but open an issue to revisit this text 19:28:16 Disclosure nav menubar: https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1614 19:31:08 https://raw.githack.com/w3c/aria-practices/disclosure-nav2/examples/disclosure/disclosure-navigation-hybrid.html 19:35:05 Jemma: James Scholes had a suggestion about reducing the number of words in the labels 19:35:55 mck: (after some discussion) I think if we just remove the word Show 19:36:43 mck: I find the name of the example awkward 19:37:13 mck: how about... Example Disclosure Navigation Menu with Top Level Links 19:37:54 mck: would also like to change the name of the one without links to: Example Disclosure Navigation Menu 19:38:53 carmacleod: +1 19:46:03 siri: The focus indicator is wider than Jon's menubar nav example - should we try to be consistent? 19:46:50 mck: I think it's good to show a variety of focus indicators - as long as they are good focus indicators 19:47:06 Topic: Slider example 19:47:37 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1755 19:47:51 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1746 19:48:03 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1758 19:48:54 mck: Jon which one is the easiest to review? Are they all really different from what's currently published? 19:49:32 jongund: They are all pretty significantly different from what's currently published 19:50:13 jongund: probably the thermostat one is the simplest, because it's 3 separate sliders 19:51:08 jongund: Maybe the color picker slider example is the simplest to operate, though, because it's 3 identical sliders 19:52:08 mck: ok, let's start with color picker #1746 19:53:16 mck: what does the css touch-action do? 19:55:12 jongund: it tells the platform to ignore either left-right or up-down swipes so that your application can handle them 19:55:29 jongund: similar to preventDefault in JS 19:55:52 jongund: yet another way where css affects behavior... 20:02:16 jongund: With these updates, sliders work for sighted touch users, and they even work in VoiceOver touch! 20:02:29 https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1746 20:02:42 can you confirm your reviewer assignment? 20:08:59 everyone confirmed their review assignment for slider example 1746 20:10:17 https://support.google.com/accessibility/android/answer/6151827?hl=en 20:11:10 Move slider up (such as volume) Right then left Move slider down (such as volume) Left then right 20:11:24 rrsagent, make minutes 20:11:24 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod 20:11:33 zakim, who is on the call? 20:11:33 Present: mck, Jemma, MarkMccarthy, carmacleod, jongund, JemmaJaeunKU, sarah_higley, jamesn, siri 20:12:38 zakim, who is here? 20:12:38 Present: mck, Jemma, MarkMccarthy, carmacleod, jongund, JemmaJaeunKU, sarah_higley, jamesn, siri 20:12:40 On IRC I see siri, carmacleod, jongund, RRSAgent, jamesn, Jemma, MichaelC, zcorpan, github-bot, ZoeBijl, Zakim, trackbot 20:13:05 present- sarah_higley jamesn 20:13:44 rrsagent, make minutes 20:13:44 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod 20:15:37 present- JemmaJaeunKU 20:15:48 present- sarah_higley 20:15:53 rrsagent, make minutes 20:15:53 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod 20:15:58 present+ Jemma 20:16:09 regret+ sarah, jamesn 20:16:45 present- jamesn 20:16:57 regrets+ sarah, jamesn 20:17:13 rrsagent, make minutes 20:17:13 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod 20:18:26 https://developer.mozilla.org/en-US/docs/Web/API/Pointer_events 20:46:33 regrets- jamesn 20:46:37 rrsagent, make minutes 20:46:37 I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/02/09-aria-apg-minutes.html carmacleod 22:16:48 Zakim has left #aria-apg