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18:50:11 <mck> MEETING: ARIA Authoring Practices Task Force
18:50:21 <mck> CHAIR: Matt King
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18:53:24 <Jemma> zakim, start the meeting
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18:53:25 <Zakim> please title this meeting ("meeting: ..."), Jemma
18:53:35 <Jemma> Meeting: ARIA-APG
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18:54:23 <Jemma> agenda?
18:54:42 <Jemma> zakim, clear agenda
18:54:42 <Zakim> agenda cleared
18:54:46 <Jemma> agenda?
18:55:40 <Jemma> agenda+ Roadmap and meeting agenda planning
18:56:01 <Jemma> agenda+ Slider example meeting report
18:56:13 <Jemma> agenda+ PR burndown
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18:56:37 <Jemma> regret+ MarkMcCarthy
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19:01:49 <Jemma> agenda?
19:07:18 <Jemma> scribe: Jemma
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19:07:27 <Jemma> mck: any agenda change?
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19:07:46 <Jemma> zakim, next item
19:07:46 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Roadmap and meeting agenda planning -- taken up [from Jemma]
19:08:05 <Jemma> mck: we had some discussion and we would like to continue
19:08:18 <Jemma> mck: summary of the meeting last week.
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19:09:01 <Jemma> ...having a smaller meetings outside of APG - Slider example meeting led by Jon
19:09:11 <CurtBellew> present +
19:09:21 <CurtBellew> Hi :)
19:09:45 <Jemma> ... balance of discussion between technical vs prioritization for an instance
19:10:07 <jamesn> present+
19:10:17 <Jemma> subtopic: Quality of current content vs new content
19:10:48 <Jemma> ... managing the PR and having adquate review
19:11:15 <Jemma> ... PR and Issue burndown.
19:11:32 <Jemma> ... leads to redesign and aria-at design
19:11:53 <Jemma> ... trying to move APG forward
19:11:59 <Jemma> ... open to the discussion
19:12:37 <Jemma> jon: I would recommend to have additional and designated reviewers.
19:13:50 <Jemma> ...It takes so long to close the issue. waiting for a month for the review, once it was reviewed, usually significant changes are required.
19:14:23 <Jemma> mck: we can do bring more people for reviews
19:16:34 <Jemma> mck: we have different types of review so it is not necessary about accessiblity knowledge.
19:17:08 <Jemma> jamesn: visual review needs to be consistent, possibliy done by the same person.
19:17:15 <Jemma> +q
19:17:44 <Jemma> ... ARIA has the same problem in regards to review.
19:18:03 <Jemma> sarah: a good documenation may be helpful.
19:18:50 <Jemma> mck: do you think we are in good position to bring the people based on exisiting code documentation?
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19:19:42 <Jemma> mck: for now, we need to bring W3C members only but I would like to fix that via community member.
19:19:58 <Jemma> sarah: regarding github assigment, the membership does not matter.
19:21:46 <Jemma> curt: call to review for the issue will be helpful?
19:21:55 <Jemma> mck: we can only do once a month
19:22:21 <Jemma> ... bring new members and welcome them, or code review event?
19:23:22 <Jemma> curt: the reason for my question is that there are a number of people whose job is related to APG code and possibly we can invite them to work together.
19:23:50 <Jemma> mck: possibley organize a campaign to bring new people...
19:24:48 <Jemma> ... I talked to Boaz, Bocuop about "program management" perspective and we need to have a clear scope on that
19:25:25 <Jemma> jamesn: if we bring a designated person, it become a whole project for that person.
19:25:48 <Jemma> ...possibly side effect of (?)
19:27:35 <Jemma> jon: the biggest help will be accessiblity features - mobile device testing. we need to make sure "aria-right", sometimes aria example is sleeps away when we look into so much customization.  widget library ...
19:31:23 <Jemma> jon: we may put a caution that APG examples are not a simpel widget library to be used right away. It will be more tool for understanding ARIA. helping to understand the issues  is the core rather than building maintainale widget library. Focus on target and available resource will be beneficial. For example, we had a great contribution to slider example meeting who was not a regular member.
19:31:47 <Jemma> jon: I can reach out to people to review and leave the comments.
19:32:12 <Jemma> jamesn: we may able to ask people in slack channel too.
19:32:22 <Jemma> car: I support the idea, James.
19:33:15 <Jemma> mck: If we can coordinate the channel, ask specific questions, it would be good.
19:33:51 <Jemma> jamesn: I agree with getting useful info, rather than like or dislike of example
19:34:53 <Jemma> sarah: I am interested in coordinating slack feedback regarding APG example.
19:36:54 <Jemma> mck: we are on the map to setting up the community group. Items to keep in mind is that we can engage people via slack with specific framework.
19:37:16 <Jemma> jon: we can also create focused group for each example.
19:39:19 <Jemma> agenda?
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19:39:49 <Jemma> zakim, clear agenda item 1
19:39:49 <Zakim> agenda cleared
19:39:55 <Jemma> zakim, next
19:39:55 <Zakim> I don't understand 'next', Jemma
19:40:05 <Jemma> zakim, take up agenda 2
19:40:05 <Zakim> I see nothing on the agenda
19:40:16 <Jemma> agenda+ Slider example meeting report [
19:40:36 <carmacleod> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/wiki/Determining-Features-of-APG-Slider-Updates
19:41:06 <Jemma> jon: summary of the meeting - don't add additional features.
19:41:24 <Jemma> ... just replace my example with warning.
19:41:49 <Jemma> car: I can help with wording
19:42:02 <Jemma> s/wording/warning note
19:43:06 <Jemma> ... with info to html range
19:43:49 <Jemma> mck: one of goal for redesign is also promoting related html example
19:44:27 <Jemma> ... separate discussio but aria value now vs aria value text is not clear.
19:44:38 <Jemma> s/discussio/discusssion
19:46:27 <Jemma> jon: aria hidden for unused svg item was discussed.
19:46:54 <Jemma> ... I need to test mobile touch
19:47:23 <Jemma> mck: more examples, Sarah?
19:48:05 <Jemma> sarah: usually keyboar and click. wonder how many drag action in the existing examples?
19:48:27 <Jemma> curt: pointer cancellation  in wcag
19:48:44 <Jemma> ...click is fine.
19:48:57 <Jemma> sarah: button.js use click funtion
19:49:45 <CurtBellew> wcag 2.5.2 : https://www.w3.org/WAI/WCAG21/Understanding/pointer-cancellation.html
19:50:47 <jongund> https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/pull/1741
19:51:44 <Jemma> mck: Jon's meeting brought a good point to look into  mouse vs pointer event from the examples.
19:52:17 <Jemma> jon: focus styling - Focus border around thumb and Focus border around entire slider
19:53:26 <Jemma> mck: are you talking about adding more focus around the thumb?
19:53:29 <Jemma> jon: yes.
19:54:10 <Jemma> mck: high contrast issue - we should somehow pull together about HCM
19:54:48 <Jemma> mck: actually thinking about writing the HCM guideline.
19:55:07 <Jemma> ...sarah can be a great to write that
19:55:48 <Jemma> car; how about media query for HCM?
19:56:39 <Jemma> group talk abotu different HCM configuration
19:56:46 <Jemma> s/abotu/about
19:57:30 <Jemma> action item: supporting high contrast setting.
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19:57:40 <Jemma> in APG
19:58:41 <Jemma> james: how would this be related to ARIA closely?
19:59:16 <Jemma> reference for Sarah's work https://github.com/w3c/aria-practices/issues/1392
19:59:31 <Jemma> s/reference/future reference
19:59:46 <sarah_higley> sarah: If you wanted to be pedantic, it has to do with ARIA in that native elements get high contrast mode adjustments automatically, but a <div role="link">, for example, would need manual color adjustments
20:02:07 <Jemma> car: sarah's menu example - it is not hidden on the load and it shows all the menu and hidden later.  do we need to consider the js diabled situation?
20:02:35 <Jemma> sarah: we may need to worry more about js failing to load.
20:03:22 <Jemma> car: should we worry about "flash of unstyled content" regarding APG example?
20:06:04 <Jemma> sarah: sharing example of heavily relying on interent connection to load Js. - form of discrimintion
20:07:15 <Jemma> sarah: will do make change of "hidden unload"
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20:12:46 <Jemma> s/action item: supporting high contrast setting. /
20:13:34 <Jemma> ACTION: Sarah will help to draft High Color Contrast Mode section in ARIA APG spec.
20:13:34 <trackbot> Created ACTION-2150 - Will help to draft high color contrast mode section in aria apg spec. [on Sarah Higley - due 2021-02-09].
20:14:08 <jamesn> https://wicg.github.io/aom/accessibility-tree.html
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20:15:05 <Jemma> s/item:supporting high contrast setting/
20:16:19 <Jemma> s/supporting high contrast setting/supporting high contrast setting in APG spec
20:17:13 <Jemma> mck: we need to take out "aria-own" because it is not supported nor consistent.
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