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13:01:45 <kaz> Meeting: WoT-IG/WG
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13:03:20 <kaz> present+ Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Kuihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally
13:03:29 <kaz> present+ Sebastian_Kaebisch
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13:03:59 <McCool> agenda: https://www.w3.org/WoT/IG/wiki/Main_WoT_WebConf#13_January_2021
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13:06:34 <kaz> present+ Ege_Korkan
13:06:58 <kaz> present+ Tetsushi_Matsuda
13:07:02 <dape> scribe: dape
13:07:07 <kaz> scribenick: dape
13:07:15 <kaz> rrsagent, make log public
13:07:19 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
13:07:19 <RRSAgent> I have made the request to generate https://www.w3.org/2021/01/13-wot-minutes.html kaz
13:07:32 <dape> MMC: Agenda bashing
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13:07:45 <kaz> i/Agenda/topic: Agenda/
13:08:11 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html Dec-16
13:08:16 <dape> TOPIC: Minutes  review, https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html
13:08:33 <kaz> s|-> https://www.w3.org/2020/12/16-wot-minutes.html Dec-16||
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13:09:16 <dape> MMC: Spatial data joint call
13:09:38 <dape> ... some people gaive as emails
13:09:55 <dape> Kaz: is properly organized
13:10:07 <dape> MMC: IETF
13:10:15 <kaz> s/gaive as/gave/
13:10:39 <kaz> present+ Takahisa_Suzuki, Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:10:41 <dape> MK: TODO on my side
13:10:47 <dape> .. working on it
13:10:59 <kaz> zakim, who is here?
13:10:59 <Zakim> Present: Kaz_Ashimura, Michael_McCool, Daniel_Peintner, Kuihiko_Toumura, Michael_Koster, Michael_Lagally, Sebastian_Kaebisch, Ege_Korkan, Tetsushi_Matsuda, Takahisa_Suzuki,
13:11:03 <Zakim> ... Tomoaki_Mizushima
13:11:03 <Zakim> On IRC I see tksuzuki, matsuda, Mizushima, sebastian, ryuichi, McCool, dape, ktoumura, RRSAgent, Zakim, dsr_, kaz, joconnor, hadleybeeman, manu, bigbluehat, rzr, misalias_
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13:11:21 <dape> MMC: OPCUA liaison
13:11:43 <dape> ... should discuss all liaisons today -> updated agenda
13:12:13 <kaz> s/OPCUA/OPC-UA/
13:12:26 <kaz> present+ Jennifer_Lin
13:12:50 <dape> MMC: Comments on minutes?
13:13:11 <dape> no objections -> minutes approved
13:13:19 <dape> TOPIC: Quick updates
13:13:26 <dape> MMC: Joint calls coming up
13:13:40 <dape> ... Spatial data on the web, next Tuesday
13:13:54 <dape> ... see https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/955
13:14:09 <dape> ... main topics: AR use cases
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13:14:52 <dape> ... proposed agenda in GH issue
13:15:36 <dape> ... ontology discussions taking place on mailinglist
13:16:18 <dape> MMC: APA call, https://github.com/w3c/wot/issues/953
13:16:25 <dape> ...  Jan 27, 9am ET
13:16:42 <dape> ... re-use PlugFest slot
13:17:10 <dape> ... please label issues with "assessibility" accordingly
13:17:27 <kaz> s/assessibility/accessibility/
13:18:44 <dape> MMC: Microsoft DTDL, open topic
13:18:55 <dape> ... still need to find proper slot
13:19:12 <dape> ML: Ought to restart dicussions
13:19:24 <dape> MMC: Could aim for February
13:19:51 <dape> MMC: Publication follow-up
13:19:58 <dape> Kaz: created 5 PRs
13:20:07 <dape>      Architecture: https://github.com/w3c/wot-architecture/pull/576     TD: https://github.com/w3c/wot-thing-description/pull/1027     Discovery: https://github.com/w3c/wot-discovery/pull/108     Profile: https://github.com/w3c/wot-profile/pull/62     Scripting API: https://github.com/w3c/wot-scripting-api/pull/288
13:20:30 <dape> Kaz: small fixes, should be merged in the according call
13:20:46 <dape> TOPIC: Virtual F2F Planning
13:21:39 <dape> MMC: Talked about Pune but because of Covid we will not have any F2F
13:22:07 <dape> ... hence will be virtual
13:22:28 <dape> ... proposal
13:22:31 <dape> ... Plugfest: March 1-5, 9am (?) ET
13:22:38 <dape> ... Virtual F2F: March 15-26, 8-11am (?) ET
13:22:46 <dape> .... Need a doodle to finalize
13:24:18 <dape> MMC: Other alignments
13:24:26 <dape> ... should have solid drafts till then
13:25:01 <dape> ... in June 2021: F2F and PlugFest
13:25:33 <dape> ... in PF slot we should talke about possible themes/topics
13:25:45 <dape> MMC: Kaz, can you setup Doodles?
13:25:50 <dape> Kaz: OK
13:26:06 <kaz> s/according call/each TF call/
13:26:26 <dape> MMC: should have main call, avoiding others call
13:26:30 <kaz> s/talke /talk /
13:26:44 <dape> MMC: Known conflicts?
13:26:52 <dape> -> none heard
13:27:05 <dape> TOPIC: Liaisons
13:27:14 <dape> MMC: IETF/ASDF/T2TRG
13:27:18 <kaz> action: kaz to generate doodle for March vF2F
13:27:55 <dape> ... calls set already?
13:28:04 <dape> MK: Not sure, Ari just came back
13:28:12 <dape> MMC: OPC-UA ?
13:28:23 <dape> SK: looked into validation
13:28:29 <dape> ... using SHACL
13:28:44 <dape> ... compare with OPC-UA approach
13:29:10 <dape> ... not sure if the group we are in contact with is the *right* group
13:29:35 <dape> ... adressing OPC-UA bindings ... joint discussions to follow
13:29:43 <dape> MMC: meeting scheduled?
13:30:41 <dape> SK: no appointment in my calendar yet
13:30:45 <dape> ... will check
13:30:53 <dape> MMC: ITU-T SG20
13:31:16 <dape> ML: in 2 weeks we will dicuss topic in use-case call
13:31:29 <dape> MMC: 26th?
13:31:31 <dape> ML: Yes
13:31:49 <dape> TOPIC: TF Reports
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13:33:52 <dape> DP: valdiation for *partial* TD like TingModel, fragment TD, Discovery, ...
13:34:36 <dape> ML: terminology for partial TD
13:34:43 <dape> ... need definition..
13:34:54 <dape> DP: Yes, difficult to drawa line
13:35:04 <kaz> s/TingModel/Thing Model/
13:35:38 <kaz> s/drawa line/draw a line among them./
13:36:09 <kaz> DP: kind of lost about how to define/validate them
13:36:41 <kaz> ML: should discuss it during the Architecture call tomorrow, Jan 14
13:36:54 <kaz> i/kind/scribenick: kaz/
13:37:17 <kaz> ... you can say our specific partial TD could be validated by JSON Schema
13:37:21 <kaz> ... is that right?
13:37:36 <dape> MMC: propose moving it to acrh call
13:37:36 <kaz> MM: we should discuss it during the TD/Arch calls
13:37:40 <dape> MMC: Security
13:37:48 <dape> ... discussed 2 issues
13:37:53 <kaz> i/Security/scribenick: dape/
13:38:12 <dape> ... 1. post from external person, issue #197
13:38:32 <dape> ...  formulated response
13:38:45 <dape> ... got response, did not have time to look at it
13:39:07 <mlagally> q+
13:39:12 <kaz> present+ David_Ezell
13:39:29 <dape> ... relates to architecture also
13:40:07 <dape> ML: does hspaay propose a way to solve the issue?
13:40:52 <dape> MMC: menetions that we require all being server
13:41:15 <kaz> s/menetions/mentions/
13:41:21 <dape> ... it is not correct. Explained it. Will try to invite hime to call..
13:41:58 <dape> MMC: 2. topic: API key and PSK key missing descriptions
13:42:40 <dape> ... another issue popped up, ID for Philips hue is in URL
13:42:51 <dape> ... we do not support this yet
13:43:00 <dape> ... URI template?
13:43:24 <dape> ... try to resolve it soon
13:44:19 <dape> Ege: Will talk about it in TD call
13:44:25 <dape> MMC: Discovery call
13:44:34 <dape> Kaz: Skimmed existing issues and PRs
13:44:57 <dape> ... will talk about resolutions next week
13:45:22 <dape> MMC: Marketing
13:45:31 <dape> SK: talked about animation video
13:45:37 <dape> .. final steps
13:46:01 <dape> ... exchange with Coralie
13:46:03 <kaz> q+
13:46:20 <dape> ... waiting for feedback from APA / Josh
13:46:30 <dape> ... voice-over is still missing
13:46:41 <kaz> s/voice/final voice/
13:46:46 <dape> ... quickly talke about new web page (TD content)
13:46:55 <dape> Kaz: Asked Josh already
13:47:06 <dape> ... got response -> will forward this response
13:47:15 <kaz> s/this/that/
13:47:27 <kaz> ack m
13:47:28 <kaz> ack k
13:47:32 <dape> MMC: "Getting started" content needs to be improved on web page
13:47:45 <dape> ... grab examples from Cristiano
13:47:51 <dape> MMC: PF/Testing
13:47:57 <dape> ... defer to PF call
13:48:08 <dape> ... in 2 weeks we can conflicts
13:48:23 <dape> MMC: TD/Bindings
13:48:34 <dape> SK: today we will restart work
13:48:46 <mlagally> q+
13:48:53 <dape> ... e.g. security and Philips Hue
13:49:26 <kaz> q+
13:49:33 <dape> ML: Link relation types
13:49:49 <dape> ... do we plan to explain link relation type
13:50:05 <dape> SK: Still lots of work needed
13:50:19 <dape> ... cannot say whether it is achievable
13:50:26 <dape> ML: Just initial set?
13:50:57 <dape> SK: Do we have an initial list?
13:51:00 <kaz> -> https://www.w3.org/2021/01/11-wot-discovery-minutes.html#t07 Discovery minutes item 7
13:51:11 <dape> ML: Yes, but might need further work
13:51:23 <dape> Kaz: Talked about it in discovery call as well
13:51:39 <dape> ... Farshid plans to work on proposal
13:51:55 <kaz> s/plans/is planning/
13:52:03 <dape> MMC: need to assmble all requirements popping up in different places
13:52:19 <kaz> s/proposal/proposal, and we'll see what type would fit best based on that proposal./
13:52:31 <dape> s/assmble/assemble
13:52:46 <dape> ML: We have input from use-cases document as a starting point
13:52:55 <dape> SK: TD spec mentions w plan to work on it
13:53:10 <dape> s/w plan/we plan
13:53:15 <dape> MMC: Use-cases
13:53:20 <dape> ML: Call yesterday
13:53:35 <dape> ... newcomers from building and AR
13:53:58 <dape> .. re-factored all uses from architecture
13:54:13 <dape> ... publish by May?
13:54:17 <dape> ... draft by March
13:54:30 <dape> ML: Architecture
13:54:40 <dape> ... no call this week yet
13:54:53 <dape> .. tomorrow we will have call (one hour only)
13:55:07 <dape> ... terminology will be discussed
13:55:19 <dape> MMC: AOB?
13:55:33 <dape> Kaz: Perey invited experts status?
13:55:40 <dape> MMC: geospatial expert
13:55:53 <dape> Kaz: talk about it in chairs call?
13:55:56 <kaz> i/AOB/topic: AOB/
13:56:08 <kaz> s/experts/expert/
13:56:26 <kaz> s/talk/let's talk/
13:56:32 <kaz> s/call?/call/
13:56:35 <dape> MMC: adjourned
13:56:51 <dape> MMC: PF in 9 minutes
13:57:13 <kaz> rrsagent, draft minutes
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