Meeting minutes
<Ralph> previous 11-Dec
EPUBCheck updates
avneeshsingh: the [staging]
website is available
… we're talking to Ralph about the W3C URL
… then we will start publicizing
… the milestone releases are ready
… test suite finished
… work is ongoing on public API change
… there will be two releases at end of Jan
… one will be production ready
… then there will be a test release on the public API
… so we can get feedback
… will be in test mode for a month or so, based on
feedback
… then merged into main release
<Zakim> Ralph, you wanted to ask Avneesh if he's willing to make an executive decision choosing one of the two URIs
Ralph: Avneesh, can we make a decision on the URI?
(avneesh dropped off)
Ralph: I saw George's email about publishing industry support
<Ralph> George's email on Publishing Industry Infrastructure support from the DAISY Consortium
George: sure.... this could
fit here or under the sharing agendum
… Ralph asked me to talk about the email I sent
… DAISY management has an activity in 2021 to secure
funding for Ace and for Matt's work on Standards
… Matt and Ace and EPUBCheck are part of the
infrastructure that's needed in the industry
… and we'd love to see the industry support that
… we'll put together a doc saying how much we need,
and ask associations of publishers and distributors to contribute
… possibly on an annual basis
Garth_: the site looks
awesome
… there was some discussion that we didn't want the
upload to epubcheck?
avneeshsingh: just download
Garth_: so we didn't recreate the IDPF thing?
avneeshsingh: no, it's dying code
tzviya: it wasn't about
security or IP, more that the code base and complexity
… there's high demand; we'll look at it in the future
tzviya: re: fundraising
… it's a great idea; we need to make it clear....
… I'm skeptical how we clarify how it's DAISY or W3C
… is this separate from other EPUBCheck fundraising?
George: It's separate
… I'm hoping that we will be done with the current
EPUBCheck milestones
… but EPUBcheck and Ace need to go on
… it is a DAISY activity but it's been embraced by the
publishing industry
… DAISY is funding Matt in the a11y area, but there's
all that other editing, that is not part of the DAISY mission
BillKasdorf: I heard you
focusing on asking organizations for support
… all the organizations are looking for money; their
members would be good targets
… but BISG etc would be unlikely to provide funds
George: you're right
… this group might help us design what we're asking
for
… we can ask individual companies
… and we have the inclusive publishing partners
program
… it's different than what Benetech is doing with
certification
… we could expand our partners program and that money
go to these activities
BillKasdorf: the publishing orgs can pass your information to members
tzviya: let's wait for a draft from George
workshops
Ralph: Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the web
<Ralph> Wide Color Gamut and High Dynamic Range for the Web
Ralph: this will be deeply
technical, but relevant to this community
… some content that this community publishes might be
interested in better support for better color rendering
<tzviya> https://
tzviya: not yet official,
but there's one about smart agents
… related to WoT
… books being read aloud, a11y...
… let people know that publishing is involved in this
area
… Gregorio might be interested
general round table
tzviya: any... thing?
… and we had a TAG election
Ralph: nine candidates for
four seats
… one opening was due to a resignation
… 3 seats for two years, one seat for one year
… record number of votes--143 members, more than 30%
turnout
… 2 incumbents re-elected
… Tess O'Conner (Apple)
… Sangwan Moon
… two long-time W3C community members, new to the TAG
… Amy Guy
… Lea Verou
zhengxu: Meeting of CG last
year
… start some task force in CG around pronunciation
tzviya: enough people?
zhengxu: going well
… a11y group led by Avneesh
… and a spin-off with Makoto
… and for documentation
… Mateus is looking for people
George: what is the pattern of the CG meeting? Is it Wednesdays at 16UTC?
zhengxu: once per month, wed or thu? I don't know
avneeshsingh: 4th wednesday at 16UTC
George: I could send an invite
zhengxu: some CG members
want meeting in Asia time zone
… tricky with one meeting per month
wendyreid: FPWD of EPUB 3.3
Core and RS on January 12
… and notes for overview and multiple rendition
satellite spec
… a11y task force is working on the revisions to the
a11y docs
… a11y 1.1
<Ralph> FPWD transition request for EPUB 3.3 and EPUB 3.3 Reading Systems
wendyreid: met last night, close a few issues, talked about FXL a11y
Dave: on testing, we've so
far failed to find a Test Champion
… so I started writing some tests for the reading
systems part of the spec
… there's a pull request to the repo now
… I'm uncovering some annoying details
Tzviya: the WG needs a Test Champion
wendyreid: anyone have someone who could contribute time and files?
Dave: I made an EPUB with the ACID2 test; the results were "entertaining"
wendyreid: I can contribute what I can
ivan: you cannot be a testing person!
tzviya: any pubs run
automated tests?
… can we do things with Igalia?
… it's a totally different world
ivan: that's the problem
Dave: I doubt we could come
up with enough funding to pay a testing org
… testing XML support probably isn't high on anyone's
agenda
… but much of EPUB is covered by HTML and CSS so maybe
the task isn't as hard as we had thought
Tzviya: maybe you'll update
us next meeting
… great progress
tzviya: BG update?
liisamk: we've been working
on building on conversations from TPAC workshop
… focusing on business issues
… so use cases can be handed off to CG
… planning to do another one day 2 90 minute sessions
in March
… we're gathering topics for that
… we need to keep working through a11y
… especially with Japan
… interest has ratcheted up
… and start to discuss advertising in EPUB
Daihei: just had
conversations in Japan this week
… digital publishing has been expanding in Japan
… in addition to manga, fxl requirements for books
such as children's books and cookbooks and self-improvement
… they see that publishers want to publish more works
… slumping of print book sales
… take advantage of people buying ebooks more and more
… the FXL ebooks are not necessarily representing
loyal to actual content of layout
… these difficulties should be overcome
… publishers want to discuss that
… in the web people can see graphic books easily
… next week on 12th there will be PBG Asia/NA meeting
… and also audio/video enhancements
tzviya: there is an
advertising BG in W3C
… there was a lot of controversy around the TAG
election related to advertising
… and privacy
… I'm not sure what you mean about advertising in EPUB
… whether it's based on user data, or just fixed ads,
you need to be very aware of the privacy implications
George: in Japan, I was told
that the dept of education has issued a11y requirements; don't know
when it will go into effect
… is the industry aware of that?
Daihei: yes
… and some of the industry organizations want to take
an important role to be responsible for discussing a11y
… public libraries are calling for accessible books
… so publishers need to pay attention to that
Ralph: tzviya was being
careful about the ad tech community
… for example, some of the ad tech folks have asserted
that HTTPS interfere with their ability to do business
… is there a different way to address the underlying
issue, and address in a different technical way
… one of the respondents in the thread on the AC Forum
was Robin Berjon
… he's been very good about trying to surface tech
issues
<tzviya> read Robin's
article for NYT Open https://
Ralph: there's some
confusion about the term "publishers"
… what part of the community is "publishers"?
… if you think there's input you can make, I would
encourage us to be clear about what part of the ecosystem you are
talking about
… we're not the "publishers" they're talking about,
methinks
ivan: that issue of
terminology came up in one of the TPAC sessions
… they use "publisher" to refer to those who create
advertisements
… they also use "decentralization" in a non-standard
way
tzviya: if you can access the AC forum, you should read the thread to be informed
liisamk: my intention is
more to just see if there's interest in having a conversation
… and help people to understand this is way
complicated and fraught
tzviya: I put a link in IRC
to Robin's article about privacy and advertising
… it's very informative
Ralph: the conversation
about advertising is an appropriate one to have in the BG
… we need business cases and needs to inform technical
choices
… we created an improving web advertising BG to
discuss this
tzviya: CG meeting is 2nd week of month
<Zakim> avneeshsingh, you wanted to comment on one pice of EPUBCheck
avneeshsingh: we have a report and request for funds
tzviya: do we approve the release for funds? there's some work to do for last milestone
avneeshsingh: last piece of public API
tzviya: delayed due to circumstance
Zheng: Next PCG Jan 13 (Wed) 11am EST
tzviya: we're requesting the
release of funds a bit early
… for next release in Early February
avneeshsingh: there's a bit of a cash flow issue
<tzviya> +1
<ivan> +1
<BillKasdorf> +1
<dauwhe> +1
<liisamk> +1
<zhengxu> +1
<Garth_> +1
<George> +1
tzviya: I see no objections; we will release the funds