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16:51:59 <sajkaj> Meeting: Conformance Options
16:52:13 <sajkaj> Date: 7 Jan 2021
16:52:18 <sajkaj> Chair: sajkaj
16:52:21 <sajkaj> present+
16:52:55 <sajkaj> Agenda+             Agenda Review & Administrative Items
16:52:55 <sajkaj> agenda+               Developing use cases for our principles -- How best to capture?
16:52:58 <sajkaj> agenda+             Scoping & Timeline Discussion
16:53:01 <sajkaj> agenda+             Principles 1-8 Redux
16:53:03 <sajkaj> agenda+             Principles Discussion; Item #9
16:53:06 <sajkaj> agenda+               Next Steps
16:53:08 <sajkaj> agenda+             Other Business
16:53:11 <sajkaj> agenda+             Be Done
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17:03:20 <jeanne> agenda?
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17:03:31 <sajkaj>  zakim, next item
17:03:31 <Zakim> agendum 1 -- Agenda Review & Administrative Items -- taken up [from sajkaj]
17:03:34 <Bryan> present +
17:03:41 <sajkaj> scribe: sarah
17:03:46 <sarahhorton> present+
17:05:20 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
17:05:20 <Zakim> agendum 2 -- Developing use cases for our principles -- How best to capture? -- taken up [from sajkaj]
17:05:23 <Wilco> present+
17:06:09 <sarahhorton> Janina: Shawn had suggested use cases to go with principles, what user needs do they serve
17:06:36 <sarahhorton> ... could do these in email, develop one per principle, even more
17:06:59 <PeterKorn> +
17:07:02 <PeterKorn> q+
17:07:06 <sarahhorton> ... how best to capture them
17:07:26 <sajkaj> ack p
17:07:53 <sarahhorton> Peter: Email is fine to get started, then review in meetings and agree on them
17:08:12 <sarahhorton> ... happy to move away from Google docs
17:08:31 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Add them to wiki once agreed
17:09:09 <sarahhorton> Janina: Develop in email, discuss when we have them to talk about, and then decide how to add to wiki
17:09:39 <sarahhorton> Peter: Can happen in any order
17:10:05 <sarahhorton> Janina: Will write up one and share with group to prototype
17:10:31 <sarahhorton> ... include relevant principle in email Subject
17:10:49 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Use [conformance]
17:11:30 <sajkaj> zakim, next item
17:11:30 <Zakim> agendum 3 -- Scoping & Timeline Discussion -- taken up [from sajkaj]
17:12:15 <sarahhorton> Janina: Elaborate statement, ideas of bulleted items in scope, out of scope, timeline to get work done
17:12:46 <PeterKorn> q+
17:12:54 <sarahhorton> ... not doing deep dive on scoring and those details
17:13:19 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Scoring is among solutions
17:13:55 <sarahhorton> Peter: Scope/timeline by end of week, added to top of Google doc
17:14:03 <PeterKorn> https://docs.google.com/document/d/1GyUYTnZp0HIMdsKqCiISCSCvL0su692dnW34P81kbbw/edit#
17:14:52 <sarahhorton> Peter reviews addtions to document
17:15:57 <Wilco> q+
17:16:10 <PeterKorn> q-
17:16:55 <sajkaj> ack w
17:17:08 <sajkaj> q?
17:18:12 <sajkaj> q?
17:18:35 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Would like to go beyond challenges, another document with same name, other conformance issues that need to be explored
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17:19:26 <sarahhorton> Janina: Might be level above testing, assessing, rating versus making conformance claim
17:19:51 <sarahhorton> ... details of testing, assessing, scoring may not be part of conformance claim definition
17:20:49 <sarahhorton> ... if those issues are not about conformance assessment
17:21:24 <sarahhorton> ... describing multiple situations that are met through different protocols
17:21:49 <sarahhorton> ... have worked most of testing ands scoring, some situations doesn't meet what's needed
17:22:11 <sarahhorton> ... need ability to describe how you met it that isn't ephemeral
17:22:48 <sarahhorton> Peter: Seems like a direction for proposed solution, not sure how it influences scope
17:23:30 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Some principles are addressed in details of scoring rather than conformance section
17:23:58 <sarahhorton> ... don't want to rule out details of scoring when a lot of solution is there
17:25:02 <sarahhorton> ... writing new guidelines out of scope
17:26:01 <sarahhorton> ... look at how scoring flows from method to outcome
17:26:18 <sajkaj> q?
17:26:26 <PeterKorn> q+
17:26:34 <sarahhorton> ... multipage website, leaves room for a lot of bugs
17:27:19 <sarahhorton> ... keeping flexibility at guideline level, work with dynamic sites
17:27:44 <sarahhorton> ... look at how solution works with dynamic sites
17:28:35 <sarahhorton> Peter: Added new guidelines, methods, outcomes to out of scope
17:29:10 <sarahhorton> ... and user needs
17:29:28 <sarahhorton> ... and functional need
17:30:00 <sarahhorton> ... put testing and scoring into in scope
17:31:25 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Add revising WCAG-EM to out of scope
17:34:19 <sarahhorton> Sarah: Large digital products and 3rd party content?
17:34:36 <sarahhorton> Peter: No necessary to restrict scope
17:35:43 <sarahhorton> ... revise purpose and principles after scope discussion
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17:44:27 <sarahhorton> Peter: Reviews timeline
17:45:11 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: How to get from principles to recommendations?
17:46:07 <sarahhorton> ... how about report on status of use cases? Need time to test use cases
17:47:05 <sarahhorton> ... plan for changes to Silver, depending on what needs to be fixed, some big problems, some well addressed, may have minor changes
17:47:42 <sarahhorton> Peter: Roll out reports to Silver
17:51:29 <sarahhorton> Janina: manual testing and 3rd party content are big challenges we will work on
17:55:10 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Request for scope came from chairs
17:55:49 <sarahhorton> Peter: Does this need soak time, or deliver as preliminary?
17:56:36 <sarahhorton> Jeanne: Would like groups to send link to chairs, Shawn, and Jeanne for comments and changes
17:56:49 <sarahhorton> ... then review, revise
17:57:39 <sarahhorton> Janina: Will share with chairs, silver list, add to wiki page
17:58:02 <sajkaj> zakim, take up item 5
17:58:02 <Zakim> agendum 5 -- Principles Discussion; Item #9 -- taken up [from sajkaj]
17:58:20 <sajkaj> s/9/8/
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18:00:42 <sarahhorton> Peter: No longer concerned about the last principle, that solution meets Silver requirements
18:02:23 <sajkaj> zakim, take up item 8
18:02:23 <Zakim> agendum 8 -- Be Done -- taken up [from sajkaj]
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18:02:36 <sajkaj> zakim, bye
18:02:37 <Zakim> leaving.  As of this point the attendees have been sajkaj, PeterKorn, jeanne, sarahhorton, Wilco, Jemma
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